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Business ByDesign: “GA” and the high cost of low volume

I went to an SAP event last week to hear what some SMB customers had to say about the vendor. I was pretty impressed with their openness in talking about experiences using SAP products including BusinessOne, ByDesign and All-In-One (you didn’t expect SAP’s portfolio to be elegant, did you?)

Dennis Howlett did a great summary job on his his own own blog, and on ZDNET.

Could SAP be right for you?

  • SAP’s brand recognition across Europe is a lot stronger in the SME market than I thought. It is often a significant determinant when making a purchasing decision
  • The ability to become part of the SAP ‘family’ matters in some industries where large business partners may be SAP customers
  • Fast track implementation is possible. It doesn’t need to take forever nor does it necessarily imply an army of consultants if you make good use of best practice templates in SAP vertical market industries
  • Our Key takeaways – For many European small businesses running SAP is something they aspire to. These shops want to run SAP so they can sit at the same table as their bigger customers. “The best run businesses run SAP” – seems to have sunk in, in Europe at least. Considering how angry some major European SAP customers are over recent hikes in maintenance fees it makes a lot of sense it makes an awful lot of sense to focus attention on a new market segment without the negative baggage, and without the traditional packaged software license/maintenance model!

    SAP and SME’s: an update

    • Yes, you can buy it – I’ve met ByDesign customers who are in production on the service.
    • Yes, SAP has scaled back its marketing efforts for this product line significantly.
    • No, you can’t just walk up to SAP and get it. SAP has 45 reference customers and wants to reach 100 reference sites before hitting the marketing and selling gas pedal. It therefore qualifies in the kind of customer it wants during this slow burn phase.
    • Yes – SAP still has technical issues with the service that keep its TCO higher than where it wants to be but that is improving.
    • Yes – the product is getting better. The release of FP2 shows significant enhancements, the GUI looks great and screen performance, even on poor networks is impressive. It is a world apart from where they were when ByDesign was originally launched and should be a strong contender.

    Reporters love a negative story,  as do many enterprise software analysts, and together they seem only too ready to label SAP’s Business ByDesign suite a failure.

    Me? I suspect Dennis may be closer to the truth.

    ByDesign is setting a benchmark for what it means to acquire, configure, implement and run 21st century software and that will, in the long term, impact all of SAP’s product and service lines as well as the ecosystem. However, I believe the market is so large for what they are attempting to do in this segment that naysayers will end up eating their own words. The fact ByDesign (and to a lesser extent All-In-One) is reaching many more users in an organization than the Business Suite should be telling SAP and its detractors something.

    What you have to understand about Business ByDesign is that its not just salesforce automation – its an end to end, fully integrated Financial and Resource planning suite- its got everything that an export-driven mid-sized German process engineering company might need to run its business. Order to specification- sure. This is not case and salesforce management. Its an extremely complex product. I think ByDesign could even begin to swallow R/3 implementations, just as R/3 replaced R/2 – although both were originally intended for different target markets. Of course its not just outsiders that are down on ByDesign – there are plenty of people within SAP that have now decided ByDesign is a failure. Me? I think that’s a failure of nerve, and imagination. SAP has taken on a major engineering and management challenge in making the software consumable as a service. That is, ByDesign is the very much the new R/3.

    The High Cost of Low Volume.

    R/3 eventually displaced R/2 because it was a volume product. With its channel, product, services ecosystem R/3 was very much as Architecture of Participation. Business ByDesign takes some of that thinking forward for the net age (well without the Big Consulting channel obviously, and problematically).

    I can’t understand why SAP isn’t making more noise about quick and dirty integration with the likes of Google, Navteq and Hoovers. Web service integration out of the box for the win. API participation is one way to drive a platform. Just ask Google maps…

    But what about volume? That seems to be where the SAP model is falling down badly. While I fully agree that a managed roll out makes sense for the product, SAP appears to be drawing the wrong conclusions from its own rollout. The software giant’s current top argument for not rolling ByDesign out more quickly is that its not clear how to drive down total cost of ownership far enough to drive margins up and make the product profitable.

    There is a certain irony in SAP not being able to externalise the cost as it did during the SAP R/3 wave, when we all knew implementation services would cost the customer at least ten times what the software cost. With ByDesign in stark contrast, SAP has to swallow that cost, and not pass it onto the customer this time around.

    So we end up talking about TCO in relation to multitenancy and the cost of virtualisation software. Note to SAP – there is some really good open source virtualisation software out there. How do you think the Web companies do it? Ah yes- how do you think the Web companies do it? One answer is using open source. Another is volume. The weirdest number I heard at the event came from Rainer Zinow, Senior Vice President Business ByDesign – he said SAP pays $5k per server blade.

    I can only assume this was a mistake, because if not- that’s just crazy. No wonder total cost of ownership doesn’t make sense. Is SAP paying list price to Fujitsu or something? Are the blades made out of platinum or something?

    So list price at low volume is of course going to make a service look expensive to run. If on the other hand SAP was buying low cost vanilla blades price could come down. And if SAP sold at volume, then the price would obviously come down dramatically.

    My point is this – SAP can’t take advantage of volume and commodity IT economics unless it rolls the service out in volume, and it can’t roll out the service in volume until it takes advantage of volume economics. Basically SAP needs to think more like a VC-funded startup in order to get through this impasse. Without volume of course it can’t bring cost down.

    What is GA, Anyway?

    A few words on GA before I wrap up. While SAP says BusinessByDesign is already Generally Available (GA) in six countries, in fact this is a managed, pre-qualified rollout. Customers have to be willing to be public references, and SAP is being quite choosy about who it lets in.

    Rather like Apple with the App Store, SAP wants to closely manage the experience, and who can blame the firm (well apart from the volume economics issue laid out above). I find it hard to criticize SAP for its approach, but the name doesn’t seem quite right either. ByDesign is not in alpha or beta mode. It has been launched. It is in that sense GA, just not GA as we normally think of the term. If you have a better term for a managed rollout please let me know.

    Update- saw a tweet from David Rosenberg today that stood up my argument with some benchmarking data. Apparently the margins only really kick in once a SaaS vendor reaches a $25m runrate….

    disclosure: SAP is a client.
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    19 Responses

    1. SAP Business ByDesign: “GA” and the high cost of low volume http://bit.ly/4uYMeC #SAP
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    2. How about ‘controlled release’ or ‘limited release’ or ‘invitation-only release.

      • great suggestions Ian. thanks for taking the time. I definitely think the language is important, otherwise we’ll continue to see news stories and analyst commentary kvetching about how B BD is not really GA.

        James GovernorSeptember 15, 2009 @ 5:07 pmReply
    3. Thanks James, great piece, guess another question is does ByDesign really fit as an SME product or could hosted All in One or BusinessOne provide the answer. It certainly can until the volume knob is turned up and what about a Google Hardware model instead of all these expensive blades???Hmmm

    4. Well analysed, James.
      another reason SAP is not making it generally available is because it is still new technology. Even though it is no more in beta, if something goes wrong… it is easier to contain it if there are less customers on the market.

    5. Great summary of SAPs SME Business Unit and Product Lines: Business ByDesign: “GA” and the high cost of low volume. http://bit.ly/3smGll
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    6. Blogpick: @monkchips weighs in on SAP BBD and his meetings with SAP BBD/SMB team in UK last week: http://bit.ly/2Xz2BM
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    7. James, good piece. I think your suggested phrase, “managed rollout,” is just about perfect to describe SAP BBD. I don’t like the GA term SAP has sometimes used to describe the current state of the release.

      I think this is one of those stories where the blogosphere codifies around one or two rigid takes where the answer lies in an area behind sound bites. This notion that SAP has missed the market opportunity on BBD due to rollout mistakes is a very popular one right now (though I realize it’s not your take). The illogical leap from “SAP made mistakes” (something SAP itself has acknowledged) to “SAP has lost this opportunity” is not accurate in my view.

      Having said that, I would personally like to see more collective urgency inside SAP to get BBD done right and make it a kickass success. The BBD team surely has that urgency but I don’t get the sense of this urgency across the board. Perhaps there is some lingering issues around fears of cannibalizing revenues from All-in-One in particular, but if that’s the case, you have to throw that over the side and make this BBD business model work.

      We’ll see. Thanks for the update.

      - Jon

    8. Commented on @monkchips post on SAP Business by Design: http://bit.ly/2Xz2BM
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    9. Interesantes reflexiones sobre SAP Business ByDesign http://bit.ly/2wxt4d
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    10. Thanks for the update James. I also think that long term (10 years) BBD represents the future of the Business Suite (not just for SMEs). I would say BBD is right now in limited availability (GA to me means that any customer can buy it without restrictions). SAP typically calls this ramp-up.

    11. Bin zwar nicht so optimistisch,aber gute Hintergründe RT @monkchips #SAP Business By Design:The high cost of low volume http://bit.ly/4uYMeC
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    12. My comment would be that the the title says it all. According to IDC’s estimates, the world will produce 988 exabytes of data in 2010 – but only 601 exabytes of storage will be available.



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