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title: "A RedMonk Conversation: Useable Security is the Best Security"
date: 2024-06-20T14:21:26Z
modified: 2025-06-25T00:32:35Z
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“Security at the expense of usability comes at the expense of security.”

Security consultant and OWASP board member Avi Douglen joins RedMonk’s Rachel Stephens to explore how to build meaningful security practices into our applications.

Is the OWASP Top 10 a useful standard? (Hint: nope!)

What’s the best tool for threat modeling? (Hint: a whiteboard!)

Come listen as Avi explains practical approaches to security.