{"id":113,"date":"2019-07-31T15:49:41","date_gmt":"2019-07-31T19:49:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/redmonk.com\/kfitzpatrick\/?p=113"},"modified":"2020-07-29T09:32:14","modified_gmt":"2020-07-29T13:32:14","slug":"june-2019-redmonk-programming-language-rankings-monkchat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/kfitzpatrick\/2019\/07\/31\/june-2019-redmonk-programming-language-rankings-monkchat\/","title":{"rendered":"The June 2019 RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: a MonkChat"},"content":{"rendered":"

The June 2019 iteration of the RedMonk Programming Language Rankings is brought to you by YLD.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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monkchips <\/b>(<\/span>James Governor<\/span><\/a>): The purpose of this chat is to discuss the findings of the June 2019 RedMonk Programming Language Rankings, sponsored by our good friends at YLD<\/span>. Were there any surprises, what’s going on, and what did we learn this term?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

RedMonk publishes rankings every six months, and we felt it would be good to have a discussion this time around, and get behind the numbers and charts if we can.<\/span><\/p>\n

We also asked for questions from third parties, and hopefully we can answer some of those.<\/span><\/p>\n

rachel<\/b> (<\/span>Rachel Stephens<\/span><\/a>):For those who didn\u2019t see it, here is <\/span>the aforementioned research<\/span><\/a> and <\/span>trends over\u00a0 time can be seen here<\/span><\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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kelly <\/b>(<\/span>Kelly Fitzpatrick<\/span><\/a>):\u00a0 OK, to start off: any general impressions of this round of the Programming Language Rankings?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

sogrady <\/b>(<\/span>Stephen O\u2019Grady<\/span><\/a>): My biggest takeaway from this round of the rankings was TypeScript. It\u2019s the first new entrant into the Top 10 outside of a one quarter cameo from Swift since 2015. The growth behind the language has been impressive to watch.<\/span><\/p>\n

monkchips:<\/b> So about TypeScript – we got a little excited about the language’s progress last time, and it seems that interest was justified. What’s happening everyone?<\/span><\/p>\n

sogrady:<\/b>\u00a0 Two big factors in its success:<\/span><\/p>\n

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  1. JavaScript\u2019s ubiquity and ascent to lingua franca status<\/span><\/li>\n
  2. The (optional) safety offered by the language\u2019s typing<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    rachel:<\/b> I also think that the ability to refactor an app by mixing and matching TypeScript and JavaScript is a big part of the story.<\/span><\/p>\n

    sogrady:<\/b> Safety is popular these days for many reasons, as Capital One (most recently) has emphasized.<\/span><\/p>\n

    Agreed, @rachel. TypeScript\u2019s ability to intermingle with JavaScript allows it to ride the latter\u2019s coattails, much like Kotlin with Java.<\/span><\/p>\n

    monkchips: <\/b>Can’t overstate the truth of the point made by @rachel. The Javascript Typescript adjacency is very very powerful as a vector for adoption.<\/span><\/p>\n

    \u00a0<\/span>rachel: <\/b>TypeScript\u2019s focus on being tool-friendly is also huge. Tools are such an important part of developer productivity.<\/span><\/p>\n

    sogrady: <\/b>Probably doesn\u2019t hurt also that one of the most popular tools, VS Code, is written in TypeScript. <\/span>
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    \n<\/b>monkchips:<\/b> Built by some of the same people that created the language…<\/span><\/p>\n

    It’s a really big win for Microsoft.<\/span><\/p>\n

    <\/b>kelly:<\/b> Agreed; and the compatibility of necessities like testing frameworks also seems key to me.<\/span><\/p>\n

    <\/b>monkchips:<\/b>\u00a0 Testing frameworks, great point. Any in particular in mind that have done a good job with TypeScript?<\/span><\/p>\n

    kelly:<\/b> The lovely thing about Typescript is that usually–at least for unit tests–you can use whatever JavaScript framework you already love.<\/span><\/p>\n

    So it seems that TypeScript was big this time around; were there any surprises specific to the June 2019 rankings?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

    rachel:<\/b> I feel like a turnover in the Top 10 is the biggest news. The top programming languages are relatively stable given that our metrics are accretive over time.<\/span><\/p>\n

    monkchips:<\/b> Agreed. I did get this tweet which might be worth discussing\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

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    HCL\u2019s position on the chart is surprising, I\u2019m guessing that\u2019s because users on StackOverflow are more likely to tag \u201cterraform\u201d than \u201cHCL\u201d in their posts?<\/p>\n

    — Jon Topper (@jtopper) July 30, 2019<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n