{"id":347,"date":"2005-09-19T14:12:44","date_gmt":"2005-09-19T21:12:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.redmonk.com\/jgovernor\/wp\/?p=347"},"modified":"2005-09-19T14:12:44","modified_gmt":"2005-09-19T21:12:44","slug":"nokia-joins-eclipse-suns-goat-song","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/jgovernor\/nokia-joins-eclipse-suns-goat-song\/","title":{"rendered":"Nokia joins Eclipse: Sun&#8217;s Goat Song"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P>Come on Sun. <\/P><P>Nokia <A href=\"http:\/\/www.eclipse.org\/org\/press-release\/20050919nokia.htm\">just announced plans to push Eclipse towards J2ME<\/A> (<A href=\"http:\/\/java.sun.com\/products\/midp\/index.jsp\">MIDP<\/A>) development. Its surely time to start making business, rather than ideological decisions.<\/P><P>Its about <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.sun.com\/roller\/page\/jonathan\/20050404\">participation<\/A>. If you don&#8217;t participate then you&#8217;re not part of the conversation. If you&#8217;re not part of the conversation then you can&#8217;t influence the market. Are you going to be an active contributor or just end up wondering how come this fertile field is being ploughed, seeded and nurtured by someone else?<\/P><BLOCKQUOTE>  <P><!--StartFragment -->&nbsp;&#147;This important step enables us to simplify our   creation of tools and further harmonize our development tools offering across   all Nokia software platforms. We expect to benefit from open source innovation   and to create interest and active participation in Nokia-led mobile tools   projects for the benefit of all members of the Eclipse community.&#148;<\/P><\/BLOCKQUOTE><P><A href=\"http:\/\/www.netbeans.org\/\">netBeans<\/A> is <STRONG>never going to play<\/STRONG> the role that Nokia just defined. Sun must start parsing Eclipse and working out where and how to play. A blanket refusal makes less sense by the day.&nbsp;netBeans is a <A href=\"http:\/\/www.redmonk.com\/jgovernor\/archives\/000850.html\">neat IDE with some cool new functions<\/A>. It is certainly worth considering for some application development needs. It is not however the once and future plug-in architecture.<\/P><P>The Nokia announcement should act as a wake up call, <A href=\"http:\/\/eclipse.org\/\">the latest of many<\/A>&#8230;. For Sun&#8217;s plans for mobility to play out, you need to be part of the architecture of participation for mobile services.<\/P><P>On a related note the new <A href=\"http:\/\/www.nokia.com\/nokia\/0,,74866,00.html\">Nokia 770<\/A> looks very cool. A lot of the applications are likely to be Java-based. Wanna play? Nokia has its <A href=\"http:\/\/www.theregister.co.uk\/2005\/08\/24\/nokia_3g\/\">market share mojo<\/A> back. Wanna play?<\/P><P>Sun might argue that it will benefit from Nokia&#8217;s new Eclipse positioning, because wireless carriers such as Orange, Verizon and Vodafone will potentially want to work more closely with Sun to avoid Nokia&nbsp;influence over their business models. But to bet everything against&nbsp;Nokia in the wireless space doesn&#8217;t sound like a good bet to me.<\/P><P>Well what do you say, <A href=\"http:\/\/www.webmink.net\/minkblog.htm\">Simon<\/A>, this sounds like a question for the <A href=\"http:\/\/blogs.sun.com\/roller\/page\/webmink?entry=oso_a_milestone_on_sun\">chief open source officer<\/A>? [Incidentally, why hasn&#8217;t Sun put out a press release about your new role?&nbsp;The blogosphere can&#8217;t do everything in corporate comms you know. A Sun corporate press release would do a lot to show the company is serious about the OSO.]<\/P><P>Here&#8217;s a final thought. Eclipse is competition to .NET, not Java or netBeans.<\/P><P>What if Eclipse was never intended as a netBeans or Sun killer? What if the name referred to something else entirely? What if Sun has been fighting a straw man ever since, excluding itself from markets in the process? What if Sun is fulfilling a prophecy that it, rather than a competitor, made? What if Sun is the company in danger of eclipsing itself. That would be a fine example of <A href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Greek_tragedy\">goat-song<\/A>, wouldn&#8217;t it?<\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Come on Sun. Nokia just announced plans to push Eclipse towards J2ME (MIDP) development. Its surely time to start making business, rather than ideological decisions.Its about participation. If you don&#8217;t participate then you&#8217;re not part of the conversation. If you&#8217;re not part of the conversation then you can&#8217;t influence the market. 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