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title: Web 2.0- which is really a Global SOA
date: 2007-06-29T14:47:50Z
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> “We are clearly moving from dynamic visual interfaces to dynamic non-visual services, all accessible over the internet. All of this is Web 2.0- which is really a Global SOA.”

[Frank Cohen](http://www.pushtotest.com/), [Push To Test](http://www.pushtotest.com/thecohenblog), from his [twitters](http://twitter.com/fcohen).

This chimes with some arguments [Duane Nickull](http://technoracle.blogspot.com/) of Adobe is currently putting forward. We’re working on a book about Web 2.0 patterns and I argued that SOA was anathema to Web 2.0. As I put it- name one Web 2.0 service based on an SOA. Duane pushes back that the core patterns are the same, once you’re suitably abstracted. He has a point. Messages, standard interfaces, a bus architecture, and so on.

I have been thinking about the transition from UIs to services a fair bit. Does it makes sense to talk about a RESTful SOA? Duane [thinks](http://technoracle.blogspot.com/2007/05/web-20-definition-what-is-web-20.html) [so](http://technoracle.blogspot.com/2007/05/david-linthicum-gets-soa-good-read.html). Of course we need to get beyond/decouple WS-\* from “SOA” to start appreciating that SOA thinking has real value in lightweight projects .Its ironic that SOA as a concept has become so **tightly coupled** to WS-\* specs.

It seems Frank is thinking about SOA more broadly. Not surprising given push to test provides test automation across distributed apps. Frank demoed his product at the first [RedmonkOne](http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/05/07/redmonkone-were-here-all-ze-day-fyi/) day at JavaOne.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I have to say I love the picture pushtotest used on its web site. It seems more representative of real people in the business than your usual slick multi-ethnic corporate homepage.

![pushtotest](http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1004/661498278_df8641caab.jpg?v=0)