{"id":2570,"date":"2009-04-07T15:16:22","date_gmt":"2009-04-07T20:16:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.redmonk.com\/cote\/2009\/04\/07\/agileexecutive001\/"},"modified":"2009-04-07T15:16:22","modified_gmt":"2009-04-07T20:16:22","slug":"agileexecutive001","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/2009\/04\/07\/agileexecutive001\/","title":{"rendered":"Clarke Ching on Agile &#8211; Podcast Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>As you may recall, I occasionally fulfill the role as co-blogger over at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theagileexecutive.com\">The Agile Executive<\/a>, a blog geared towards the concerns of Agile decision makers, managers, and leaders within companies. Recently, I had the pleasant chance to record an interview with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.clarkeching.com\/\">Clarke Ching<\/a>. Here&#8217;s the skinny, copied from <a href=\"http:\/\/theagileexecutive.com\/2009\/04\/07\/podcast01\/\">the entry at TheAgileExecutive.com<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>To listen to this podcast, <a href=\"http:\/\/media.libsyn.com\/media\/redmonk\/agileexec001.mp3\">download the podcast directly<\/a>, subscribe to <a href=\"http:\/\/theagileexecutive.com\/feed\/\">the blog\/podcast feed in iTunes (or whatever)<\/a>, or click play below to hear it:<\/p>\n<p class=\"embed\">\n<p>Kicking off our Agile Executive podcast series, I talk with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.clarkeching.com\/\">Clarke Ching<\/a>. We start out discussing two of Clarke&#8217;s books <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slideshare.net\/cching\/rocks-into-gold-by-clarke-ching-presentation?type=powerpoint\"><em>Rocks Into Gold<\/em><\/a> and a longer version he&#8217;s working on. We then discuss the relation of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Goal\">Goldratt&#8217;s <em>The Goal<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I ask Clarke to talk to his point that breaking things into smaller chunks end ups costing less. He says:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>In bigger projects (vs. smaller ones), we end up building more low-priority things, thus &#8220;wasting&#8221; time<\/li>\n<li>With a focus on delivering small chunks that work we get higher quality, rather then wiring up lower quality stuff<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>After this, I ask Clarke how he&#8217;s sorted out the boot-strapping problem of getting Agile started in organizations. He recommends:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.weetabix.co.uk\/\">Weetabix<\/a> Sell &#8211; selling the benefits, not the ingredients or &#8220;process&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Set expectations that it&#8217;s going to be hard work<\/li>\n<li>find quick wins, preferably &#8220;without doing anything&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Finally, I ask Clarke to give us a report on the Agile scene across the pond, which he does nicely.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;m interested in more such interviews, so if you have some folks in mind, send &#8217;em along. Otherwise, enjoy ;&gt;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I talk with Clarke Ching about Agile parables, TCO, and Agile in the UK.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2570","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-agile","category-redmonk-radio-podcast"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2570","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2570"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2570\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2570"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2570"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2570"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}