{"id":1135,"date":"2008-01-11T21:42:20","date_gmt":"2008-01-12T03:42:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.redmonk.com\/cote\/2008\/01\/11\/it-management-podcast-001-barcampesm-monitoring-the-cloud-2008-predictions-and-more\/"},"modified":"2008-01-11T21:42:20","modified_gmt":"2008-01-12T03:42:20","slug":"it-management-podcast-001-barcampesm-monitoring-the-cloud-2008-predictions-and-more","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redmonk.com\/cote\/2008\/01\/11\/it-management-podcast-001-barcampesm-monitoring-the-cloud-2008-predictions-and-more\/","title":{"rendered":"IT Management Podcast #001 – barcampESM, Monitoring, The Cloud, 2008 Predictions, and more"},"content":{"rendered":"

In this first episode<\/a> of what I’m planning on being a weekly or semi-weekly podcast, John Willis<\/a> and I launch the IT Management Podcast. Podcast feed available<\/a> as well.<\/p>\n

As you know, dear readers, I have an unshakable interest in IT Management. It’s always been a pleasure talking with John in the past (RedMonk Radio #42<\/a>, #44<\/a>, video 1<\/a>, and video 2<\/a>), so I thought we’d cook up a sort of commentary\/news round-up show as Ryan and I have done with RIA Weekly.<\/p>\n

If you’ve got things to contribute, topic or guest suggestions, or would like to be on yourself, feel free to drop me a line<\/a>.<\/p>\n

So, enjoy the show. Here are some detailed notes if you’d rather skim:<\/p>\n

barcampESM<\/h2>\n

We open up by taking about barcampESM<\/a>, an even John has been working on with whurley<\/a> and Mark Hinkle<\/a> for sometime. The final dates are the night of Jan 18th and then the day of 19th at J Black’s in Austin, on 6th Street<\/a>. John tells us about a panel discussion he’s planning on monitoring<\/a>; it looks like we got Chip Holden<\/a> to be the BMC<\/a> panelist.<\/p>\n

Monitoring<\/h2>\n

Speaking of monitoring, I ask John where he sees monitoring’s value in the IT management landscape. As both of us relate, it seems like most people de-value the place of monitoring in favor of the higher level IT management tasks. By “de-value” we mean, of course, spend less time and money. The perception is that monitoring is “done” and that it’s largely a commodity. While this may be true, it could also be the case folks have cut too close to the bone.<\/p>\n

John points out, of course, that now that we have plenty of higher level IT management functionality, the underlying data becomes even more important. As the old saying goes, “garbage in, garbage out.”<\/p>\n

“The Cloud”<\/h2>\n

With the renewed interest in The Cloud from all the discussion of The Big Switch<\/i><\/a> (no little amount from here<\/a>, dear readers), we spend quite a bit of time talking about what Cloud Computing means for IT Management. As John says, “Cloud computing…what are we supposed to do? You know, what is ESM supposed to do?”<\/p>\n

John talks about his attempts to get Google to tell him about their IT Management technology and practices are<\/a> as sort of an answer to his question of the role of the IT department when everything’s behind a URL.<\/p>\n

We don’t have any definitive answers, but we have plenty of speculation and possibilities to throw out.<\/p>\n

While it’d be great to see people like Google and Amazon tell the world more of how they do Cloud IT Management, we both agree that, really, that knowledge is a large part of Cloud Provider’s trade-secrets: the “closed” part of their otherwise “open” systems.<\/p>\n

Drupal & Acquia<\/h2>\n

Since I know that John is a nut for Drupal<\/a>, I lurch out a bit from talking about IT Management o discuss Drupal and the new open source startup, Acquia<\/a> with him, written up earlier this week<\/a>.<\/p>\n

While Drupal is a bit difficult to get up and running compared to things like WordPress, John says that it’s proven incredibly powerful for him. Indeed, he’s been looking towards using Drupal as an IT Management knowledge base.<\/p>\n

I ask John if there’s a good chance for doing Drupal management, and he points out that like FiveRuns<\/a>, if there’s a community of users putting stuff into production, then, sure, there’s room – maybe even a good market – in tooling the management for Drupal.<\/p>\n

FiveRuns<\/h2>\n

Related to FiveRuns, I point out a recent announcement from FiveRuns<\/a> partnering with Atlantic Dominion Solutions (not a UK hosting company, that was another announcement<\/a>) to help manage rails installs in Amazon EC2. That’s the first time I’ve heard of someone doing management of EC2 instances – though, I’d assume there’s others.<\/p>\n

Nagios Checkin<\/h2>\n

I ask John if he’s heard anything about how going commercial<\/a> has gone for Ethan Galstad of Nagios. John just points out the partnership with GroundWork<\/a>, but says he hasn’t heard anything else.<\/p>\n

A New Website for the Open Management Consortium<\/h2>\n

Next we discuss the happenings over at the OMC website, namely a new site with forums and blogs<\/a>. As I note later in the episode, things seemed to have died down a bit on the OMC mailing list, but there’s been a noticeable spike in activity with the new site launch.<\/p>\n

Does ITIL Mater?<\/h2>\n

Spring-boarding off some recent activity<\/a> in the new OMC around the topic, I ask John to tell us about the continued discussion around his does ITIL matter?<\/a> discussion in the Tivoli mailing list and elsewhere.<\/p>\n

As with most “schools of thought” that include certifications, John says he’s found that people who are certified tend to be ITIL supporters, where-as newly exposed people tend to be skeptical of it.<\/p>\n

Trying to figure out how much ITIL is actually out there, I ask John if he’s ever walked into a client’s shop and thought, “ahhh, ITIL!” finding a place that’s gotten themselves all ITIL’ed up. Very quickly he says, “no.” But, he’s seen success with CMDBs and change management. This tends to match with what I hear and see: help desks and CMDBs are what’s out there for the most part.<\/p>\n

We talk about the long schedule that IT Management standards and practices tend to go on. Unlike web standards where the standards lag behind the in-use reality, IT Management standards tend to be way ahead of their actual implementation.<\/p>\n

Spiceworks 2.0<\/h2>\n

Moving away from the “E” in “ESM,” I talk about the recent release of Spiceworks 2.0<\/a>. Of note is their user base number of 200,000 and the “product pages” they’ve included. Product pages center around devices, software, and other “IT Assets.” Spiceworks attaches reviews, user comments, and trouble-shooting to these product pages, building up a tasty looking database of IT data.<\/p>\n

Rumors!<\/h2>\n

John points out a recently Motley Fool piece on Microsoft buying Yahoo!<\/a> (re-viving that old story), which makes me recall a recent post from Ryan Shopp outlining a scenario of Cisco buying BMC<\/a>. As I point out, the “who’ll buy BMC” parlor game is a favorite one among IT Management folks.<\/p>\n

Predictions<\/h2>\n

We round out the show with predictions for 2008:<\/p>\n

John’s Dance Partners<\/h3>\n

John has been thinking about combinations of people in 2008, like:<\/p>\n