Comments on: Amazon, RDS and the Future of MySQL http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/ because technology is just another ecosystem Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:41:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: stephen o'grady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/comment-page-1/#comment-573354 stephen o'grady Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:38:57 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=3103#comment-573354 @Gordon Haff: agreed. engineers generally underestimate the importance of barriers to entry. @Gordon Haff: agreed. engineers generally underestimate the importance of barriers to entry.

]]> By: Gordon Haff http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/comment-page-1/#comment-573340 Gordon Haff Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:54:15 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=3103#comment-573340 I tend to not buy arguments along the lines of "But, all you need to do is XYZ and ABC on your own and you don't need this service." It's very much a geek's argument. Doesn't make it invalid for everyone of course. But it means you're going to spend time and resources putting together and maintaining something that you can just buy. Right answer for you depends on a lot of things of course including the relative price points. But in my experience people underestimate the full cumulative cost of "a simple matter of programming." I tend to not buy arguments along the lines of “But, all you need to do is XYZ and ABC on your own and you don’t need this service.” It’s very much a geek’s argument. Doesn’t make it invalid for everyone of course. But it means you’re going to spend time and resources putting together and maintaining something that you can just buy. Right answer for you depends on a lot of things of course including the relative price points. But in my experience people underestimate the full cumulative cost of “a simple matter of programming.”

]]> By: 451 CAOS Links (caostheory) 's status on Wednesday, 04-Nov-09 12:09:10 UTC - Identi.ca http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/comment-page-1/#comment-573331 451 CAOS Links (caostheory) 's status on Wednesday, 04-Nov-09 12:09:10 UTC - Identi.ca Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:10:07 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=3103#comment-573331 [...] http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/ a few seconds ago from seesmic [...] [...] http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/ a few seconds ago from seesmic [...]

]]> By: Gabriele B http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/comment-page-1/#comment-573327 Gabriele B Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:46:59 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=3103#comment-573327 I would say you had a good insight of the state of the business. Amazon forked the Xen tree to implement their EC2 cores. Why not MySQL? Probably Amazon started working on RDS months ago and they were urged to deliver in view of the launch of Azure services, or, perhaps, it's just the best code-base to fork. Either way it makes strong economical sense since I hear already several friends reporting they are using RDS. If Amazon is willing to invest in PaaS they will probably introduce "plug-in" front-ends (BI, Geospatial display, ETL) or Hybrid instances (DB + application). At that point their own fork will make more and more sense. I would say you had a good insight of the state of the business. Amazon forked the Xen tree to implement their EC2 cores. Why not MySQL?
Probably Amazon started working on RDS months ago and they were urged to deliver in view of the launch of Azure services, or, perhaps, it’s just the best code-base to fork.
Either way it makes strong economical sense since I hear already several friends reporting they are using RDS.
If Amazon is willing to invest in PaaS they will probably introduce “plug-in” front-ends (BI, Geospatial display, ETL) or Hybrid instances (DB + application). At that point their own fork will make more and more sense.

]]> By: Sam Johnston http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/comment-page-1/#comment-573311 Sam Johnston Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:33:39 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=3103#comment-573311 In answer to your question though, Amazon is under no obligation to release any changes they make back into the community. This is the "service provider loophole" that has been "patched" by the AGPL, and unless Amazon had some compelling reason to do so I doubt they'll be telling us *how* they made MySQL work properly in the cloud any time soon. That's not to say that I'm a proponent of the AGPL necessarily... with the (relatively) "standard" interface of "MySQL 5.1" it doesn't matter *how* they deliver the service - after all that's what the cloud is all about, outsourcing and concealing complexity. If Amazon work out some sensible way of sharding MySQL databases and can deliver an infinitely scalable relational database service as a result then good on them (and good luck to their competitors). Sam In answer to your question though, Amazon is under no obligation to release any changes they make back into the community. This is the “service provider loophole” that has been “patched” by the AGPL, and unless Amazon had some compelling reason to do so I doubt they’ll be telling us *how* they made MySQL work properly in the cloud any time soon.

That’s not to say that I’m a proponent of the AGPL necessarily… with the (relatively) “standard” interface of “MySQL 5.1″ it doesn’t matter *how* they deliver the service – after all that’s what the cloud is all about, outsourcing and concealing complexity. If Amazon work out some sensible way of sharding MySQL databases and can deliver an infinitely scalable relational database service as a result then good on them (and good luck to their competitors).

Sam

]]> By: Sam Johnston http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/11/03/amazon-rds-and-the-future-of-mysql/comment-page-1/#comment-573309 Sam Johnston Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:20:58 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=3103#comment-573309 It's probably worth noting that Reuven has since <a href="http://twitter.com/ruv/status/5396380097">retracted</a> his premature ejaculation and now considers RDS "very cool". I just wish he'd think <i>before</i> <a href="http://www.elasticvapor.com/2009/10/cloud-computing-is-dangerous.html">running off at the mouth</a>. Sam It’s probably worth noting that Reuven has since retracted his premature ejaculation and now considers RDS “very cool”.

I just wish he’d think before running off at the mouth.

Sam

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