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	<title>Comments on: What am I Missing About Android Netbooks?</title>
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	<description>because technology is just another ecosystem</description>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; What Would the Operating System Look Like if It Were Designed Today? The Chrome OS Q&#38;A</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-555344</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; What Would the Operating System Look Like if It Were Designed Today? The Chrome OS Q&#38;A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] than suffice for the majority of needs? Exactly. You wouldn&#8217;t, and Google didn&#8217;t. I never believed that Android on laptops made sense, personally, because of the applications [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] than suffice for the majority of needs? Exactly. You wouldn&#8217;t, and Google didn&#8217;t. I never believed that Android on laptops made sense, personally, because of the applications [...]</p>
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		<title>By: maht</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-546114</link>
		<dc:creator>maht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 17:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a G1 and can choose between Chrome and Opera. I also have a Linux EEEpc 901. Skype on the G1 is a kludge as it dials a UK landline rather than using the G3 data connection. I&#039;m writing this comment using the 901 with the G1 as a WiFi access point.

The GPS is my favourite gadget on the G1, smooth integration with Google maps is great. I&#039;d love an Android netbook, esp. if it had a built in phone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a G1 and can choose between Chrome and Opera. I also have a Linux EEEpc 901. Skype on the G1 is a kludge as it dials a UK landline rather than using the G3 data connection. I&#8217;m writing this comment using the 901 with the G1 as a WiFi access point.</p>
<p>The GPS is my favourite gadget on the G1, smooth integration with Google maps is great. I&#8217;d love an Android netbook, esp. if it had a built in phone!</p>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; The Rich Versus the Covenient</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-511054</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; The Rich Versus the Covenient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] possible that I&#8217;m just missing something. But even while I&#8217;ll grant that we need some rich clients, I&#8217;m just not a believer in them as a volume opportunity (unless you&#8217;re Silverlight and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] possible that I&#8217;m just missing something. But even while I&#8217;ll grant that we need some rich clients, I&#8217;m just not a believer in them as a volume opportunity (unless you&#8217;re Silverlight and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-509113</link>
		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Android apps *will* be portable between device types because the applications are made up of simple, loosely coupled components that have a first rate integration mechanism. A component that is designed for a phone can easily be re-purposed within the context of a compound document on a netbook. Think Cyberdog and OpenDoc (which Jobs killed off because they were a threat to NextStep).

Android is all about users customizing their devices. And for those users that are not capable or willing to do this there will be pre-fabricated compositions or templates to make this task painless.  In addition to Android components ported to TVs and Vehicles I also expect to see the the Java Applet reincarnated. Users will not have to learn to jump through new hoops for every device they own.

Also, as a developer I don&#039;t care if my Java code runs on a JVM or on Dalvik. And don&#039;t count out anything. Skype announced they are coming out with an Android client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Android apps *will* be portable between device types because the applications are made up of simple, loosely coupled components that have a first rate integration mechanism. A component that is designed for a phone can easily be re-purposed within the context of a compound document on a netbook. Think Cyberdog and OpenDoc (which Jobs killed off because they were a threat to NextStep).</p>
<p>Android is all about users customizing their devices. And for those users that are not capable or willing to do this there will be pre-fabricated compositions or templates to make this task painless.  In addition to Android components ported to TVs and Vehicles I also expect to see the the Java Applet reincarnated. Users will not have to learn to jump through new hoops for every device they own.</p>
<p>Also, as a developer I don&#8217;t care if my Java code runs on a JVM or on Dalvik. And don&#8217;t count out anything. Skype announced they are coming out with an Android client.</p>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-508891</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dave: the one area where we agree and i&#039;ll probably expand on further is the touchscreen. if we get to the point where touchscreens are the rule rather than the exception on netbook LCDs, we might very well see a legitimate driver for Android adoption on that platform. 

as for your other questions:

&quot;why does Ubuntu feel the need for MID and UMPC specific projects?&quot;

probably because the UI needs improvement anyway, and this an area particularly well suited to it. i&#039;d still rather issue tweaked flavors of linux than try to recreate its application library. 

&quot;Why are Mozilla doing Fennec?&quot;

i don&#039;t see this as relevant, given that netbooks are - in all likelihood - going to be running regular FF rather than Fennec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-508855">dave</a>: the one area where we agree and i&#8217;ll probably expand on further is the touchscreen. if we get to the point where touchscreens are the rule rather than the exception on netbook LCDs, we might very well see a legitimate driver for Android adoption on that platform. </p>
<p>as for your other questions:</p>
<p>&#8220;why does Ubuntu feel the need for MID and UMPC specific projects?&#8221;</p>
<p>probably because the UI needs improvement anyway, and this an area particularly well suited to it. i&#8217;d still rather issue tweaked flavors of linux than try to recreate its application library. </p>
<p>&#8220;Why are Mozilla doing Fennec?&#8221;</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t see this as relevant, given that netbooks are &#8211; in all likelihood &#8211; going to be running regular FF rather than Fennec.</p>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-508888</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick Mueller: i agree, which is one of the reasons i&#039;m struggling with the question of appeal. granted, the desktop experience on both Linux and Windows has its issues, but there are just so many useful applications, it seems unlikely to me that they&#039;d be abandoned without a really compelling driver (as there was for Linux desktop folks that couldn&#039;t abide running Windows).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-508832">Patrick Mueller</a>: i agree, which is one of the reasons i&#8217;m struggling with the question of appeal. granted, the desktop experience on both Linux and Windows has its issues, but there are just so many useful applications, it seems unlikely to me that they&#8217;d be abandoned without a really compelling driver (as there was for Linux desktop folks that couldn&#8217;t abide running Windows).</p>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-508868</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@luis: &quot;you forgot the install base for (a) and (b). (b) seems likely to have millions of consumer-level users in the relatively near future; (a) has (probably) millions of users now but almost all are hackers and engineers with very little sense of good UX, etc.&quot;

true. but the only organization i&#039;ve seen that does a really good job with UX is Apple; Android hasn&#039;t really distinguished itself in that regard, from the reviews i&#039;ve read. is it easier to use than say Netbook Remix? sure. but it&#039;s generally been implemented on handsets, so the design scope is a wee bit narrower. 

&quot;It isn’t nearly as appealing a market for developers of new applications (and that’s leaving aside the superior tooling and modern APIs/language of Android.)&quot; 

if we&#039;re talking about the handset market, i&#039;m with you. but i&#039;m not sure reinventing the wheel with regard to desktop applications is all that attractive.

&quot;I’d also note that iPhone has the same basic problem (substitute ObjC for Java) but it already has more interesting end-user oriented applications than (say) gtk or QT do.&quot;

i view the iPhone as fairly unique here, and i think the development kit and, perhaps more convincingly, the app store, have been successful primarily because of the device. i&#039;m not sure that the iPhone&#039;s 10K strong application base is going to be duplicated any time soon by another product, because the device itself simply occupies a space of its own in the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-508822">luis</a>: &#8220;you forgot the install base for (a) and (b). (b) seems likely to have millions of consumer-level users in the relatively near future; (a) has (probably) millions of users now but almost all are hackers and engineers with very little sense of good UX, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>true. but the only organization i&#8217;ve seen that does a really good job with UX is Apple; Android hasn&#8217;t really distinguished itself in that regard, from the reviews i&#8217;ve read. is it easier to use than say Netbook Remix? sure. but it&#8217;s generally been implemented on handsets, so the design scope is a wee bit narrower. </p>
<p>&#8220;It isn’t nearly as appealing a market for developers of new applications (and that’s leaving aside the superior tooling and modern APIs/language of Android.)&#8221; </p>
<p>if we&#8217;re talking about the handset market, i&#8217;m with you. but i&#8217;m not sure reinventing the wheel with regard to desktop applications is all that attractive.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d also note that iPhone has the same basic problem (substitute ObjC for Java) but it already has more interesting end-user oriented applications than (say) gtk or QT do.&#8221;</p>
<p>i view the iPhone as fairly unique here, and i think the development kit and, perhaps more convincingly, the app store, have been successful primarily because of the device. i&#8217;m not sure that the iPhone&#8217;s 10K strong application base is going to be duplicated any time soon by another product, because the device itself simply occupies a space of its own in the market.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-508855</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If netbook = &quot;cheap laptop&quot; (and for some, or even many, it does) then I&#039;d agree with you.

If netbook on the other hand implies some combination of: ARM processor, good battery life, small yet high-DPI touchscreen, instant-on/sleep, small and/or soft-keyboards, highly mobile and pocketable device, location aware via GPS, permament internet connection via 3G and a range of price points then I see plenty of exciting opportunities.

Obviously this moves into iPod Touch and Nokia N800 territory but on the other hand the people who led the netbook charge seem to be reatreating back into boring Windows laptop-land. Possibly because kinda-cheap, kinda-underpowered Windows laptops turned out to be a good yet unexpected market for them.

Optimistically though I see several signs of others entering this new market where rule number one is no windows and the opportunities that arise once that leap has been made.

Looking at it from the other direction: why does Ubuntu feel the need for MID and UMPC specific projects? Why are Mozilla doing Fennec? At what point does the effort of rewriting things for the unique UI, hardware features and use cases of these devices meet the cost of starting from the other end and building on what&#039;s provided by Android or Maemo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If netbook = &#8220;cheap laptop&#8221; (and for some, or even many, it does) then I&#8217;d agree with you.</p>
<p>If netbook on the other hand implies some combination of: ARM processor, good battery life, small yet high-DPI touchscreen, instant-on/sleep, small and/or soft-keyboards, highly mobile and pocketable device, location aware via GPS, permament internet connection via 3G and a range of price points then I see plenty of exciting opportunities.</p>
<p>Obviously this moves into iPod Touch and Nokia N800 territory but on the other hand the people who led the netbook charge seem to be reatreating back into boring Windows laptop-land. Possibly because kinda-cheap, kinda-underpowered Windows laptops turned out to be a good yet unexpected market for them.</p>
<p>Optimistically though I see several signs of others entering this new market where rule number one is no windows and the opportunities that arise once that leap has been made.</p>
<p>Looking at it from the other direction: why does Ubuntu feel the need for MID and UMPC specific projects? Why are Mozilla doing Fennec? At what point does the effort of rewriting things for the unique UI, hardware features and use cases of these devices meet the cost of starting from the other end and building on what&#8217;s provided by Android or Maemo?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Mueller</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-508832</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s highly unlikely that any desktop app will port over, if even the compile/link succeed, to handheld platforms.  My Nokia N800 has a version of Firefox on it, but you&#039;d never in a million years guess it was Firefox.  Someone even did a GreaseMonkey &#039;port&#039;; same base code, but the way extensions are handled is different, so it needed a rewrite.

Handheld platforms are different.  Too different to hope desktop apps can just be ported over.

Not sure about netbooks tho (don&#039;t have one).  Seems like I want to run desktop software on those puppies, not handheld.

OTOH, I suspect there will be some interesting Android apps that I&#039;d like to run as first-class applications on my desktop, just like I run other little gee-gaw apps on it today.  Which you can&#039;t do.  Running in the emulator doesn&#039;t count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s highly unlikely that any desktop app will port over, if even the compile/link succeed, to handheld platforms.  My Nokia N800 has a version of Firefox on it, but you&#8217;d never in a million years guess it was Firefox.  Someone even did a GreaseMonkey &#8216;port&#8217;; same base code, but the way extensions are handled is different, so it needed a rewrite.</p>
<p>Handheld platforms are different.  Too different to hope desktop apps can just be ported over.</p>
<p>Not sure about netbooks tho (don&#8217;t have one).  Seems like I want to run desktop software on those puppies, not handheld.</p>
<p>OTOH, I suspect there will be some interesting Android apps that I&#8217;d like to run as first-class applications on my desktop, just like I run other little gee-gaw apps on it today.  Which you can&#8217;t do.  Running in the emulator doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2009/01/07/what-am-i-missing-about-android-netbooks/comment-page-1/#comment-508822</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(And of course I&#039;m presuming that what really matters in the long turn is developer interest; I think that is correct but might be wrong of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And of course I&#8217;m presuming that what really matters in the long turn is developer interest; I think that is correct but might be wrong of course.)</p>
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