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	<title>Comments on: Fear of an RIA Planet: The Chrome Q&amp;A</title>
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	<description>because technology is just another ecosystem</description>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; Get Thee Offline, Firefox</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-486041</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; Get Thee Offline, Firefox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 03:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 140 character explanation. And I might as well comment, as the Mozilla guys have been politely interested in feedback on the subject in the past, even when responding to a comment like &#8220;Mozilla’s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Packer</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-467800</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Packer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say &quot;Chromium, which in turn draws from Firefox&quot; is this code or ideas that came from Firefox?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say &#8220;Chromium, which in turn draws from Firefox&#8221; is this code or ideas that came from Firefox?</p>
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		<title>By: Niraj J</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-466571</link>
		<dc:creator>Niraj J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On &quot;What differentiates the browser from Firefox, IE, or Safari?&quot;

Did you notice the &quot;Create Application shortcut&quot; link on chrome. I think that link is the key use-case for Chrome.  

http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2008/09/coolest-feature-of-chrome.html 

I already have 6 links created on my desktop(gmail , reader , analytics , adsense , google docs , and a GWT based app).

Knowing that each application is going to get its own process really makes me feel - that yaa this is an application</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On &#8220;What differentiates the browser from Firefox, IE, or Safari?&#8221;</p>
<p>Did you notice the &#8220;Create Application shortcut&#8221; link on chrome. I think that link is the key use-case for Chrome.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2008/09/coolest-feature-of-chrome.html" >http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2008/09/coolest-feature-of-chrome.html</a> </p>
<p>I already have 6 links created on my desktop(gmail , reader , analytics , adsense , google docs , and a GWT based app).</p>
<p>Knowing that each application is going to get its own process really makes me feel &#8211; that yaa this is an application</p>
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		<title>By: Fear of an RIA Planet: The Chrome Q&#38;A &#171; Rich Internet Applications</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-466219</link>
		<dc:creator>Fear of an RIA Planet: The Chrome Q&#38;A &#171; Rich Internet Applications</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sogrady</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-466207</link>
		<dc:creator>sogrady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brendan Eich: 
sure. 

basically, Firefox (3.0.1 here) does little to assist me in offline scenarios such as the one described above. optimally, it would keep a cache not of everything browsed, but perhaps everything in the last 24 hours. this would allow me to retrieve pieces looked at in preparation for a piece even in offline settings. 

as is, when i was on the plane, those pieces were unavailable b/c FF was in an &quot;Offline Mode&quot; and kicked me that error page. worse, i couldn&#039;t even back through the session history on open tabs to trace back through a sequence of pages visited. this, again, triggered the &quot;This page is unavailable due to &#039;Offline Mode&#039; &quot; etc etc page. 

what i was limited to, then, in attempting to compose a page was nothing more or less than the tabs i had open at the time. which could be improved, i think. 

also, if i&#039;d been forced for some reason to shut the machine down and brought FF back cold start, i would have been able to retrieve nothing. 

that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-465791">Brendan Eich</a>:<br />
sure. </p>
<p>basically, Firefox (3.0.1 here) does little to assist me in offline scenarios such as the one described above. optimally, it would keep a cache not of everything browsed, but perhaps everything in the last 24 hours. this would allow me to retrieve pieces looked at in preparation for a piece even in offline settings. </p>
<p>as is, when i was on the plane, those pieces were unavailable b/c FF was in an &#8220;Offline Mode&#8221; and kicked me that error page. worse, i couldn&#8217;t even back through the session history on open tabs to trace back through a sequence of pages visited. this, again, triggered the &#8220;This page is unavailable due to &#8216;Offline Mode&#8217; &#8221; etc etc page. </p>
<p>what i was limited to, then, in attempting to compose a page was nothing more or less than the tabs i had open at the time. which could be improved, i think. </p>
<p>also, if i&#8217;d been forced for some reason to shut the machine down and brought FF back cold start, i would have been able to retrieve nothing. </p>
<p>that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Better Elevation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chrome Analysis</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-465806</link>
		<dc:creator>Better Elevation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Chrome Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] O&#8217;Grady takes a look at chrome: It is rather browsers that depend on choice such as Firefox and Opera that, to me, are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brendan Eich</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-465791</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Eich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, could you please mail me a bit more detail about your offline disappointment with Firefox 3?

Of course, not all the offline stuff we wanted made 3, to avoid guessing at how some of it would be standardized in HTML5. Firefox 3.1 will have a bunch more. But I&#039;m told Firefox 3 should not do anything dumb (like hang on DNS lookups or attempts to refresh a cache) when offline.

Whatever bugged you, I want to make sure we fix for 3.1. Thanks,

/be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, could you please mail me a bit more detail about your offline disappointment with Firefox 3?</p>
<p>Of course, not all the offline stuff we wanted made 3, to avoid guessing at how some of it would be standardized in HTML5. Firefox 3.1 will have a bunch more. But I&#8217;m told Firefox 3 should not do anything dumb (like hang on DNS lookups or attempts to refresh a cache) when offline.</p>
<p>Whatever bugged you, I want to make sure we fix for 3.1. Thanks,</p>
<p>/be</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cooper</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-465784</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC in the Andriod platform diagrams I&#039;ve seen the browser component is considered lower level that the Davlik, and at the LF meeting in Austin the Android guy was a bit evasive about the browser, other than saying it was Webkit based, but seemed to indicate that the browser would not be user replaceable, unlike all the other apps built on Davlik.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC in the Andriod platform diagrams I&#8217;ve seen the browser component is considered lower level that the Davlik, and at the LF meeting in Austin the Android guy was a bit evasive about the browser, other than saying it was Webkit based, but seemed to indicate that the browser would not be user replaceable, unlike all the other apps built on Davlik.</p>
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		<title>By: David Berlind</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-465782</link>
		<dc:creator>David Berlind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just re-read my post and realized I could have better summarized it this way:

Write once, run everywhere really crappily, but one place exceedingly well == multiple internets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just re-read my post and realized I could have better summarized it this way:</p>
<p>Write once, run everywhere really crappily, but one place exceedingly well == multiple internets.</p>
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		<title>By: David Berlind</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/09/03/chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-465780</link>
		<dc:creator>David Berlind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the points you make about Chrome&#039;s Webkit roots and that it shoudn&#039;t be any more worse-off on the write once run anywhere front than any other browser. But that &quot;stuff&quot; is substantially lower in the stack than what I was talking about. Knowing what Google knows about what&#039;s coming in the way of Web services, they would have been sufficiently disincented from developing their own browser if the current lot was capable of delivering the user experience that Google feels it need to deliver to win. 

By separate Internets, sufficiently differentiated user experiences from one &quot;stack&quot; to the next that the net effect is essentially different Internets. For example, as good an experience as Gmail can deliver in FF, IE, my bet is that the experience will be way better on Chrome. Maybe for example, Chrome will have Gears built in instead of as a plug-in. Users may as a result establish a preference for using Chrome with Gmail (and the other Google services on Chrome steroids). IE on the other hand is a better front end to some of Microsoft&#039;s back-end services (as well as third party services).  You&#039;ll want Android to open your Google Docs, but an iPhone to open our iTunes.

That&#039;s what I mean by different Internets. Sooner or later, the inconvenience of the experience differential will end up driving users to make choices. At the point that users start to make choices and those choices are soup to nuts (client to server), they&#039;re essentially deciding between Internets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the points you make about Chrome&#8217;s Webkit roots and that it shoudn&#8217;t be any more worse-off on the write once run anywhere front than any other browser. But that &#8220;stuff&#8221; is substantially lower in the stack than what I was talking about. Knowing what Google knows about what&#8217;s coming in the way of Web services, they would have been sufficiently disincented from developing their own browser if the current lot was capable of delivering the user experience that Google feels it need to deliver to win. </p>
<p>By separate Internets, sufficiently differentiated user experiences from one &#8220;stack&#8221; to the next that the net effect is essentially different Internets. For example, as good an experience as Gmail can deliver in FF, IE, my bet is that the experience will be way better on Chrome. Maybe for example, Chrome will have Gears built in instead of as a plug-in. Users may as a result establish a preference for using Chrome with Gmail (and the other Google services on Chrome steroids). IE on the other hand is a better front end to some of Microsoft&#8217;s back-end services (as well as third party services).  You&#8217;ll want Android to open your Google Docs, but an iPhone to open our iTunes.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I mean by different Internets. Sooner or later, the inconvenience of the experience differential will end up driving users to make choices. At the point that users start to make choices and those choices are soup to nuts (client to server), they&#8217;re essentially deciding between Internets.</p>
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