Comments on: Nokia’s Open Source Response: The Symbian Q&A http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/ because technology is just another ecosystem Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:23:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Once More unto the Breach http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-460964 Once More unto the Breach Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:54:05 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-460964 <strong>Nokia and the Symbian Foundation Opportunity - Part I...</strong> Sixty days ago, Nokia announced it was buying the rest of Symbian Corp., and would then open source SymbianOS using the Eclipse Public License through a newly created Symbian Foundation. This is a great announcement. Stephen O'Grady did an excellent... Nokia and the Symbian Foundation Opportunity - Part I…

Sixty days ago, Nokia announced it was buying the rest of Symbian Corp., and would then open source SymbianOS using the Eclipse Public License through a newly created Symbian Foundation. This is a great announcement. Stephen O’Grady did an excellent…

]]> By: Stefano Spinucci http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-423095 Stefano Spinucci Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:25:57 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-423095 @Martin Pleny Google picked java because it's a live and kicking language. and, about Nokia: - the Java sdk is the first choice on their developer page [1] - on every device is listed the JSR implemented [2] - recently they ported Eclipse SWT so S60 [3] [4] [1] http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/tools_and_sdks/ [2] http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N96 [3] http://blogs.s60.com/java/2007/10/eswt_available_for_development.html [4] http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/ESWT @Martin Pleny

Google picked java because it’s a live and kicking language.

and, about Nokia:
- the Java sdk is the first choice on their developer page [1]
- on every device is listed the JSR implemented [2]
- recently they ported Eclipse SWT so S60 [3] [4]

[1] http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/tools_and_sdks/
[2] http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N96
[3] http://blogs.s60.com/java/2007/10/eswt_available_for_development.html
[4] http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/ESWT

]]> By: The License Decision for the Symbian Foundation - or … « Ian Skerrett http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-422007 The License Decision for the Symbian Foundation - or … « Ian Skerrett Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:49:49 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-422007 [...] Foundation. Luckily we have analysts like Stephen O’Grady from Redmonk that provides a detailed and insightful analysis of the announcement.  However, I was surprised how Nat Torkington’s post regarding [...] [...] Foundation. Luckily we have analysts like Stephen O’Grady from Redmonk that provides a detailed and insightful analysis of the announcement.  However, I was surprised how Nat Torkington’s post regarding [...]

]]> By: Opening up Symbian - Good or Bad for Linux? at Jeremy’s Blog http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-421984 Opening up Symbian - Good or Bad for Linux? at Jeremy’s Blog Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:59:13 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-421984 [...] Reading: Linux Foundation Red Monk [...] [...] Reading: Linux Foundation Red Monk [...]

]]> By: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-420459 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:42:58 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-420459 This is a most clarifying statement. Whoever meaningfully says this is interested in *fake* "open source". They're not talking about a GNU/Linux system, but only about the core component: the kernel called Linux ( http://www.kernel.org/ ) A claim such as: «Linux’s license (the GPL) prevents people who ship Linux from including proprietary extensions.» is *SO* revealing of their plans. They want carriers and phone makers to be able to lock the telephone down. Free Software and Open Source Software talk mostly about the same things, but view it from different angles. This angle follows neither point of view. In this new oppinion we see that "open source is not for the telephone owners" as they will not have the freedom to change their phone as they intended. Fortunately, we now have http://www.OpenMoko.com/ and I'm getting one real soon now. This is real Free Software, not this fake bullshit. Rui This is a most clarifying statement. Whoever meaningfully says this is interested in *fake* “open source”. They’re not talking about a GNU/Linux system, but only about the core component: the kernel called Linux ( http://www.kernel.org/ )

A claim such as: «Linux’s license (the GPL) prevents people who ship Linux from including proprietary extensions.» is *SO* revealing of their plans. They want carriers and phone makers to be able to lock the telephone down.

Free Software and Open Source Software talk mostly about the same things, but view it from different angles.

This angle follows neither point of view. In this new oppinion we see that “open source is not for the telephone owners” as they will not have the freedom to change their phone as they intended.

Fortunately, we now have http://www.OpenMoko.com/ and I’m getting one real soon now. This is real Free Software, not this fake bullshit.

Rui

]]> By: Martin Pleny http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-420350 Martin Pleny Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:28:21 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-420350 I do not understand why Google picked Java as their platform, *no one* uses Java any more. The iPhone doesn't, for example. And now that Nokia's picked Symbian, no Java there either. I do not understand why Google picked Java as their platform, *no one* uses Java any more. The iPhone doesn’t, for example. And now that Nokia’s picked Symbian, no Java there either.

]]> By: James http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-419963 James Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:03:27 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-419963 Minor nits: If Symbian is purely user-space you could put it on top of Linux. The FreeRunner isn't quite shipping yet (est. July). Ubuntu MID is also a contender, although in a slightly different market. Minor nits: If Symbian is purely user-space you could put it on top of Linux. The FreeRunner isn’t quite shipping yet (est. July). Ubuntu MID is also a contender, although in a slightly different market.

]]> By: Dalibor Topic http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-419587 Dalibor Topic Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:18:32 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-419587 ... so far at least - the latest status of making true on the promise to release Android under the Apache License was late this year, but I haven't really been following it - proprietary code just doesn't get me excited. … so far at least - the latest status of making true on the promise to release Android under the Apache License was late this year, but I haven’t really been following it - proprietary code just doesn’t get me excited.

]]> By: Dalibor Topic http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-419586 Dalibor Topic Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:15:10 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-419586 Dalvik has not been released under the Apache License. So it's unlikely it could be legally ported by anyone but Google, and that part of the license compatibility section is moot. ;) Dalvik has not been released under the Apache License. So it’s unlikely it could be legally ported by anyone but Google, and that part of the license compatibility section is moot. ;)

]]> By: Patrick Mueller http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/06/26/nokia_symbian/#comment-419568 Patrick Mueller Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:16:46 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/?p=2079#comment-419568 "Interestingly, however, I believe that Google’s Dalvik Java runtime could in fact be legally ported to the Symbian platform, as that would be layering the permissive Apache license on top of the slightly more restrictive EPL." Yup. Eclipse itself (the IDE) ships loads of Apache code as part of the IDE's distribution. And IBM then reships this. So I can guarantee this is "legal". 'Android’s lack of the “ten years of work” might well be an advantage' Yup. s/work/legacy/ “Interestingly, however, I believe that Google’s Dalvik Java runtime could in fact be legally ported to the Symbian platform, as that would be layering the permissive Apache license on top of the slightly more restrictive EPL.”

Yup. Eclipse itself (the IDE) ships loads of Apache code as part of the IDE’s distribution. And IBM then reships this. So I can guarantee this is “legal”.

‘Android’s lack of the “ten years of work” might well be an advantage’

Yup. s/work/legacy/

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