Comments on: “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/ because technology is just another ecosystem Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:07:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: 451 CAOS Theory » 451 CAOS Links - 2007.12.04 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-405785 451 CAOS Theory » 451 CAOS Links - 2007.12.04 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:30:15 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-405785 [...] “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source, RedMonk - Tecosystems, Stephen O’Grady (Blog) [...] [...] “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source, RedMonk - Tecosystems, Stephen O’Grady (Blog) [...]

]]> By: tecosystems » The State of MySQL http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-362895 tecosystems » The State of MySQL Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:51:15 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-362895 [...] represent the future trend as well. So-called hybrid approaches - as manifested in offerings like the MySQL Workbench - may not have become the rule as yet, but they are certainly more than an occasional [...] [...] represent the future trend as well. So-called hybrid approaches - as manifested in offerings like the MySQL Workbench - may not have become the rule as yet, but they are certainly more than an occasional [...]

]]> By: Software Firms Will Also Move to the Center in 2008 - GigaOM http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-268460 Software Firms Will Also Move to the Center in 2008 - GigaOM Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:00:50 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-268460 [...] analyst Steve O’Grady notes that hybrid source “is generally applied to projects or products that combine open and closed source software to [...] [...] analyst Steve O’Grady notes that hybrid source “is generally applied to projects or products that combine open and closed source software to [...]

]]> By: Anne Truitt Zelenka » links for 2007-12-10 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-242162 Anne Truitt Zelenka » links for 2007-12-10 Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:31:45 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-242162 [...] tecosystems » “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source “when a high profile open source vendor like MySQL begins to embrace the model, it’s difficult to conclude that it’s not a trend.” (tags: open-source hybrid-source mysql) [...] [...] tecosystems » “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source “when a high profile open source vendor like MySQL begins to embrace the model, it’s difficult to conclude that it’s not a trend.” (tags: open-source hybrid-source mysql) [...]

]]> By: “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source | open source business applications http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-236010 “Hybrid” Source, MySQL, and the Economics of Open Source | open source business applications Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:51:35 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-236010 [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...] [...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]

]]> By: Mike Dolan http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-235431 Mike Dolan Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:12:56 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-235431 This looks like an economics thesis waiting to happen... PhD anyone? This looks like an economics thesis waiting to happen… PhD anyone?

]]> By: Niraj J http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-235049 Niraj J Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:20:48 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-235049 Quote "Is it better to have more users with a infinitely smaller percentage that pay, or an infinitely smaller user base far more likely to buy?" As you said it depends? And I think it depends on where you are in terms of stickiness of your user base to your core product. As I had indicated in my blog piece <a href="http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2007/04/does-open-source-make-ecomonic-sense.html">here</a> open source to me is a Market Capture strategy. When you have captured the market to a certain size ,are you going to further significantly enhance your market share by releasing a free add-on OR are you better off monetizing the stickiness to enable you to balance your trade is the discussion you need to have. For mysql - would having a designer product make mysql a killer DB to eat up atleast 5 percentage points of market share from oracle OR MSSQL ? My guess is probably not. Quote “Is it better to have more users with a infinitely smaller percentage that pay, or an infinitely smaller user base far more likely to buy?”

As you said it depends?

And I think it depends on where you are in terms of stickiness of your user base to your core product.

As I had indicated in my blog piece here open source to me is a Market Capture strategy.
When you have captured the market to a certain size ,are you going to further significantly enhance your market share by releasing a free add-on OR are you better off monetizing the stickiness to enable you to balance your trade is the discussion you need to have.

For mysql - would having a designer product make mysql a killer DB to eat up atleast 5 percentage points of market share from oracle OR MSSQL ? My guess is probably not.

]]> By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-234702 sogrady Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:14:34 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-234702 Luis: an excellent point, and one i should have made. appreciate the oversight and correction. keeping proprietary those features that the community doesn't want or doesn't want to maintain is indeed a very effective strategy for walking that fine line. Andy Astor, of EnterpriseDB (mentioned above), has cited this as one of the motivations for keeping the Oracle compatibility features proprietary. Ian: as James says, it's not, really. i'm discussing it more in the context of a single project as opposed to the approach of a larger portfolio, but many if not all of the vendors mentioned would employ the term hybrid source to describe their own mix of open and closed source software efforts. James: agreed. i tend to think that shared source is more of a euphemism for open source than hybrid, but the latter certainly can be applied to Microsoft's overall approach in markets in which it has open source. as for Open Collaborative Development, i suppose that is a hybrid approach, but i'm torn as to whether it qualifies as open source given the restrictions on the entirety of the output. Luis: an excellent point, and one i should have made. appreciate the oversight and correction.

keeping proprietary those features that the community doesn’t want or doesn’t want to maintain is indeed a very effective strategy for walking that fine line. Andy Astor, of EnterpriseDB (mentioned above), has cited this as one of the motivations for keeping the Oracle compatibility features proprietary.

Ian: as James says, it’s not, really. i’m discussing it more in the context of a single project as opposed to the approach of a larger portfolio, but many if not all of the vendors mentioned would employ the term hybrid source to describe their own mix of open and closed source software efforts.

James: agreed.

i tend to think that shared source is more of a euphemism for open source than hybrid, but the latter certainly can be applied to Microsoft’s overall approach in markets in which it has open source.

as for Open Collaborative Development, i suppose that is a hybrid approach, but i’m torn as to whether it qualifies as open source given the restrictions on the entirety of the output.

]]> By: James Governor http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-234687 James Governor Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:44:57 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-234687 Ian- it *is* the same. Microsoft calls it shared source, IBM is playing with "Open Collaborative Development"... the industry is converging around hybrid models. I think its going to a pretty painful and wrenching transition. Ian- it *is* the same. Microsoft calls it shared source, IBM is playing with “Open Collaborative Development”… the industry is converging around hybrid models. I think its going to a pretty painful and wrenching transition.

]]> By: Ian Skerrett http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-234662 Ian Skerrett Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:18:20 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/12/03/mysql_workbench/#comment-234662 Stephen, How is the hybrid approach any different than what BEA, Oracle or IBM are doing via their involvement with open source. I can see it being a matter of where you started (ie commercial vs open source) but in the end it seems like they are very similar end results? Or maybe I am missing something? Ian Stephen,

How is the hybrid approach any different than what BEA, Oracle or IBM are doing via their involvement with open source. I can see it being a matter of where you started (ie commercial vs open source) but in the end it seems like they are very similar end results? Or maybe I am missing something?

Ian

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