Comments on: Burning The Influence Straw Man http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/ because technology is just another ecosystem Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:17:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Watching the Analyst: The Rebirth of SageCircle - Rob Enderle http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-408152 Watching the Analyst: The Rebirth of SageCircle - Rob Enderle Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:25:26 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-408152 [...] can be true of those who watch analysts as well, which is what makes SageCircle unique. At the core of the company are two analysts, Carter [...] [...] can be true of those who watch analysts as well, which is what makes SageCircle unique. At the core of the company are two analysts, Carter [...]

]]> By: tecosystems » 2007: The Year in Review, from Macro to Micro http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-267556 tecosystems » 2007: The Year in Review, from Macro to Micro Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:35:26 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-267556 [...] October: Early in the month, I attended Adobe MAX in Chicago. Fortunately, a friend from college and I found a Red Sox friendly establishment to watch the opening game of the playoffs (Josh Beckett dominating start). Though it took me a while, I finally figured out how to get a Jawbone bluetooth headset working on Linux. The one and only Red Sox playoff game I attended was won on a monstrous walk off home run by Manny Ramirez. With no other choice, I conceded that Fall had arrived. Interestingly, I found myself using some of the Linux eye candy. Productively. Unsurprisingly, I was pleased when the Red Sox secured a berth in the World Series. Game 1 I watched in Maine, Game 2 in Boston, Game 3 on the plane to Denver, and Game 4 in Denver with a friend and my cousin. And in case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, the good guys won. To close out the month, I tackled the question of analyst influence. [...] [...] October: Early in the month, I attended Adobe MAX in Chicago. Fortunately, a friend from college and I found a Red Sox friendly establishment to watch the opening game of the playoffs (Josh Beckett dominating start). Though it took me a while, I finally figured out how to get a Jawbone bluetooth headset working on Linux. The one and only Red Sox playoff game I attended was won on a monstrous walk off home run by Manny Ramirez. With no other choice, I conceded that Fall had arrived. Interestingly, I found myself using some of the Linux eye candy. Productively. Unsurprisingly, I was pleased when the Red Sox secured a berth in the World Series. Game 1 I watched in Maine, Game 2 in Boston, Game 3 on the plane to Denver, and Game 4 in Denver with a friend and my cousin. And in case you haven’t been keeping up with current events, the good guys won. To close out the month, I tackled the question of analyst influence. [...]

]]> By: James Governor’s Monkchips » Carter and The Devil in the Detail: a mammal’s eye view of industry analysts http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-202746 James Governor’s Monkchips » Carter and The Devil in the Detail: a mammal’s eye view of industry analysts Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:49:10 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-202746 [...] subject of the changing nature of IT advisory and influence. Vinnie has already responded, as has Stephen, who refers to Carter’s argument as a straw [...] [...] subject of the changing nature of IT advisory and influence. Vinnie has already responded, as has Stephen, who refers to Carter’s argument as a straw [...]

]]> By: The Analyst Research Influence » SDLC Blog http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-202156 The Analyst Research Influence » SDLC Blog Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:09:46 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-202156 [...] A few days ago, James Governor, prompted by a Carter Lusher’s post and the subsequent response from Stephen O’Grady, tried to find out if Redmonk (one of the insurgent analyst firms) was becoming just as influential [...] [...] A few days ago, James Governor, prompted by a Carter Lusher’s post and the subsequent response from Stephen O’Grady, tried to find out if Redmonk (one of the insurgent analyst firms) was becoming just as influential [...]

]]> By: Keeping Tabs » Blog Archive » The Used to be Gartners http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-200155 Keeping Tabs » Blog Archive » The Used to be Gartners Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:25:31 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-200155 [...] The influence of the independent analysts has been a point of conversation across a handful of analyst and AR blogs this week. My vote for the most insightful post goes to RedMonk Stephen O’Grady, Burning the influence straw man. [...] [...] The influence of the independent analysts has been a point of conversation across a handful of analyst and AR blogs this week. My vote for the most insightful post goes to RedMonk Stephen O’Grady, Burning the influence straw man. [...]

]]> By: ARonaut http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-200149 ARonaut Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:06:12 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-200149 Vinnie, this is funny: a briefing-flash-mob. Not sure if the vendors will all like it as there are some implications on NDA's for most briefings, but the idea is delirious. James, analysts always rubbish logo pages, which is the same as name dropping. My comment was not to rubbish Steve's point, but analysts need to help AR folks to make the case for independent analysts. As Carter said, we have limited resources, unfortunately. Vinnie, this is funny: a briefing-flash-mob. Not sure if the vendors will all like it as there are some implications on NDA’s for most briefings, but the idea is delirious.

James, analysts always rubbish logo pages, which is the same as name dropping. My comment was not to rubbish Steve’s point, but analysts need to help AR folks to make the case for independent analysts. As Carter said, we have limited resources, unfortunately.

]]> By: vinnie mirchandani http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-200077 vinnie mirchandani Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:31:08 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-200077 Steve , did not even get that email you did -) The job of AR is to shield their managements from too transparent, uncontrolled a conversation...hmmm...wait till they go to press conferences with Scoble peppering them with Twittered questions from his 7,000 person network... http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=463 Steve , did not even get that email you did -)

The job of AR is to shield their managements from too transparent, uncontrolled a conversation…hmmm…wait till they go to press conferences with Scoble peppering them with Twittered questions from his 7,000 person network…

http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=463

]]> By: James Governor http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-199775 James Governor Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:31:05 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-199775 name-dropping? where is that exactly in this argument? you mean pointing to references? when we cite customers and so on is that just name-dropping? name-dropping? where is that exactly in this argument? you mean pointing to references? when we cite customers and so on is that just name-dropping?

]]> By: ARonaut http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/comment-page-1/#comment-199030 ARonaut Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:04:11 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/10/30/burning-the-influence-straw-man/#comment-199030 Great post Steve, the point you make about influence being multilevel is very valid indeed. However, when Carter challenges you to provide proofpoints of your influence, it would be nice if you did not conform to the stock answer AR Professionals get from analysts analyst: name dropping. Great post Steve, the point you make about influence being multilevel is very valid indeed. However, when Carter challenges you to provide proofpoints of your influence, it would be nice if you did not conform to the stock answer AR Professionals get from analysts analyst: name dropping.

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