Comments on: Salesforce: Using the Force to Further its Platform Ambitions http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/ because technology is just another ecosystem Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:25:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: tecosystems » Force.com, Amazon, Facebook: Different Tools, Different Jobs http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/comment-page-1/#comment-493715 tecosystems » Force.com, Amazon, Facebook: Different Tools, Different Jobs Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:44:46 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/#comment-493715 [...] has jumped on the cloud bandwagon with both feet: do you agree? A: Yes. Last year’s launch of Force.com was obviously the initial foray, product-wise, into that space, but this year’s event was [...] [...] has jumped on the cloud bandwagon with both feet: do you agree? A: Yes. Last year’s launch of Force.com was obviously the initial foray, product-wise, into that space, but this year’s event was [...]

]]> By: Niraj J http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/comment-page-1/#comment-174585 Niraj J Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:04:28 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/#comment-174585 Does anyone know when is Google coming out with its SaaS Stack. with GWT , mashupeditior , gears etc - feels like Google is more in tune with industry standard programming models. http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2007/07/google-and-saas-stack-vendor.html Does anyone know when is Google coming out with its SaaS Stack. with GWT , mashupeditior , gears etc - feels like Google is more in tune with industry standard programming models.

http://www.gandalf-lab.com/blog/2007/07/google-and-saas-stack-vendor.html

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]]> By: Mike Olson http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/comment-page-1/#comment-173557 Mike Olson Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:34:35 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/#comment-173557 I was at UC Berkeley today for a talk by Craig Weissman from Salesforce. He covered the platform in considerably more detail than I had seen before. It was very interesting, and I'm impressed by what the company has done. A major challenge, as you say, is to get developers to adopt Apex for building applications. I wondered, going in, if it might not make sense for Salesforce.com to open source the language, a la Python or Ruby, and encourage other platform vendors to adopt it. That would take a lot of risk out of learning and using the language. After Craig's talk, though, it's clear that it would never work. The language includes primitives, including data types and operations, that depend heavily on the Salesforce.com data model, including the schema for the underlying Oracle database. In a sense, the problem is the same one Google cites: It's no good releasing the source code if it is so closely bound to an operating environment that nobody else runs. Interesting times, though. Amazon, Yahoo!, Joyent and now Salesforce are all making a run at platform ubiquity, betting that somebody can be Microsoft in the 21st century. It's way too early to say whether it will work, but you have to admire the ambition. I was at UC Berkeley today for a talk by Craig Weissman from Salesforce. He covered the platform in considerably more detail than I had seen before. It was very interesting, and I’m impressed by what the company has done.
A major challenge, as you say, is to get developers to adopt Apex for building applications. I wondered, going in, if it might not make sense for Salesforce.com to open source the language, a la Python or Ruby, and encourage other platform vendors to adopt it. That would take a lot of risk out of learning and using the language.
After Craig’s talk, though, it’s clear that it would never work. The language includes primitives, including data types and operations, that depend heavily on the Salesforce.com data model, including the schema for the underlying Oracle database. In a sense, the problem is the same one Google cites: It’s no good releasing the source code if it is so closely bound to an operating environment that nobody else runs.
Interesting times, though. Amazon, Yahoo!, Joyent and now Salesforce are all making a run at platform ubiquity, betting that somebody can be Microsoft in the 21st century. It’s way too early to say whether it will work, but you have to admire the ambition.

]]> By: Niraj J http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/comment-page-1/#comment-172348 Niraj J Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:39:00 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/09/26/salesforce-using-the-force-to-further-its-platform-ambitions/#comment-172348 SUNW (oops JAVA) answer to "The $64,000 question" They want to be the GE of Airline Industry providing the engines to Boings and Airbuses and potentially boings of the world providing airlines to carriers. Seems like Jonathan's logic is that you end up making less and less money as you move up the value chain. In one of his blogs he argued that GE makes more money than Boing and Boing more than airline carriers and that the Airlines industry has a history of loses. To me seems like it is opposite for computing , where the most money is made as you move up. The googles and SFDC's are the most profitable. read this for reference http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/looking_back_on_commodities SUNW (oops JAVA) answer to “The $64,000 question”

They want to be the GE of Airline Industry providing the engines to Boings and Airbuses
and potentially boings of the world providing airlines to carriers.

Seems like Jonathan’s logic is that you end up making less and less money as you move up the value chain. In one of his blogs he argued that GE makes more money than Boing and Boing more than airline carriers and that the Airlines industry has a history of loses.

To me seems like it is opposite for computing , where the most money is made as you move up. The googles and SFDC’s are the most profitable.

read this for reference http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/looking_back_on_commodities

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