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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s the Network, Not the Application: Online Desktops</title>
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	<description>because technology is just another ecosystem</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; More Ozzie, Less Ballmer - Please</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-333644</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; More Ozzie, Less Ballmer - Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so. Here&#8217;s something I said in conjunction with a discussion of the GNOME project&#8217;s concept of an &#8220;online [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; Cool Gigs: EveryBlock and LiTL</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-319075</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; Cool Gigs: EveryBlock and LiTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interested in his vision of the Online Desktop. Probably because it&#8217;s one that I strongly agree [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Never Tell&#8230; Richard Eibrand &#187; Blog Archive &#187; new online station - woxy.com</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-186046</link>
		<dc:creator>Never Tell&#8230; Richard Eibrand &#187; Blog Archive &#187; new online station - woxy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I caught up with some feed reading, a post by Stephen O&#8217;Grady was interesting for a number of reasons. The reason for this post though is to mention Woxy - as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; Some Work and Much Play @ UbuntuLive / OSCON</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-130575</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; Some Work and Much Play @ UbuntuLive / OSCON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] First, a very public thank you to Canonical for their hands off attitude regarding the content of my keynote yesterday, which afforded me the opportunity to advance my own agenda. An agenda centered mainly on my &#8220;Red Hat/MySQL network (platform bits) + AppExchange/Ubuntu Marketplace (commercial apps) + Portage / Apt (community apps) + Craigslist (job postings / resource brokering) + eBay (bids + rating system)&#8221; notion, with a cameo for the online desktop. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] First, a very public thank you to Canonical for their hands off attitude regarding the content of my keynote yesterday, which afforded me the opportunity to advance my own agenda. An agenda centered mainly on my &#8220;Red Hat/MySQL network (platform bits) + AppExchange/Ubuntu Marketplace (commercial apps) + Portage / Apt (community apps) + Craigslist (job postings / resource brokering) + eBay (bids + rating system)&#8221; notion, with a cameo for the online desktop. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: theSalmonFarm Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8220;World Wide Web&#8221; isn&#8217;t.</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-129218</link>
		<dc:creator>theSalmonFarm Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The &#8220;World Wide Web&#8221; isn&#8217;t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stephen O&#8217;Grady&#8217;s post titled &#8220;It’s the Network, Not the Application: Online Desktops&#8221; he describes an environment where the computer is always connected to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-129098</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan: Local software is part of the &lt;a href="http://online-desktop.org/wiki/Online_Desktop"&gt;Online Desktop&lt;/a&gt; vision. As for hardware, see the Nokia n800 (which just got a Mozilla-based browser), the OpenMoko Neo1973 phone, and &lt;a href="http://www.gnome.org/mobile/"&gt;GMAE&lt;/a&gt; in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: Local software is part of the <a href="http://online-desktop.org/wiki/Online_Desktop">Online Desktop</a> vision. As for hardware, see the Nokia n800 (which just got a Mozilla-based browser), the OpenMoko Neo1973 phone, and <a href="http://www.gnome.org/mobile/">GMAE</a> in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Davies Brackett</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-128694</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Davies Brackett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might not turn on my laptop much without a 'net connection, but I also find 'net connections *totally valueless* unless I have my laptop around to take advantage of them.   I can't listen to my favourite internet radio stations without Winamp or at least a browser; I can't while away the hours on Metafilter or Slashdot or SomethingAwful without a browser and, preferably, an IM client.  

The local software, the local hardware, are as important to my online experience as the network is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might not turn on my laptop much without a &#8216;net connection, but I also find &#8216;net connections *totally valueless* unless I have my laptop around to take advantage of them.   I can&#8217;t listen to my favourite internet radio stations without Winamp or at least a browser; I can&#8217;t while away the hours on Metafilter or Slashdot or SomethingAwful without a browser and, preferably, an IM client.  </p>
<p>The local software, the local hardware, are as important to my online experience as the network is.</p>
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		<title>By: Irregular Verbiage &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GUADEC Day 5</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-128324</link>
		<dc:creator>Irregular Verbiage &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GUADEC Day 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] other news, Stephen O&#8217;Grady makes a good argument in favour of the Online Desktop that reinforces Havoc&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Collins</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/07/18/online_desktops/#comment-128278</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humm, harr, yes I sort of agree-ish with the online desktop thang. I agree more with the "network not the application" - its the one thing Sun Microsystems has got consistently right through the years. But aren't these two differnt things?

Put it this way - from a resource standpoint, its back to the magic triangle of communications, processing and storage (hat tip to Von Neumann). While bandwidth is not infinite, there will always be a requirement for offline or throttled online access, which means that online desktops can only exist for a permanently connected minority. (And while I know these are in the majority when it comes to computers, I'm thinking just as much about the evolution of mobile devices). There may be workarounds such as caching, data synchronisation etc but these are imperfect answers. 

Meanwhile, we have the "network not the application". Again this is back to the magic triangle, but in a different way - we have standalone apps, OS etc because historically, communications were not available, and these provide the legacy environment that may be functionally rich but is clearly cumbersome. 

Just imagine what things might have been like if the network had come first, and computers followed? For duffers like me, we don't have to imagine as this is exactly the evolution we've seen since the arrival of the code-enabled Web browser. Applications have been slow to come, but they are coming and in a very different way to the big-block, computer centric alternatives. The adoption of AJAX was probably the key moment, though others will be able to pinpoint it better than I can. Sure, the apps of today are clunky from a usability perspective but (to your point about Facebook and Twitter) they are clearly delivering. Meanwhile, we now have component based application frameworks and scripting based interfaces, which is exactly the prediction made for the future of applications in general.

So, yeah, absolutely to your main premise. Do I need an online desktop to take advantage of it all? Dunno, but there's a lot of innovation to happen yet so I'll keep out of the jury for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm, harr, yes I sort of agree-ish with the online desktop thang. I agree more with the &#8220;network not the application&#8221; - its the one thing Sun Microsystems has got consistently right through the years. But aren&#8217;t these two differnt things?</p>
<p>Put it this way - from a resource standpoint, its back to the magic triangle of communications, processing and storage (hat tip to Von Neumann). While bandwidth is not infinite, there will always be a requirement for offline or throttled online access, which means that online desktops can only exist for a permanently connected minority. (And while I know these are in the majority when it comes to computers, I&#8217;m thinking just as much about the evolution of mobile devices). There may be workarounds such as caching, data synchronisation etc but these are imperfect answers. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, we have the &#8220;network not the application&#8221;. Again this is back to the magic triangle, but in a different way - we have standalone apps, OS etc because historically, communications were not available, and these provide the legacy environment that may be functionally rich but is clearly cumbersome. </p>
<p>Just imagine what things might have been like if the network had come first, and computers followed? For duffers like me, we don&#8217;t have to imagine as this is exactly the evolution we&#8217;ve seen since the arrival of the code-enabled Web browser. Applications have been slow to come, but they are coming and in a very different way to the big-block, computer centric alternatives. The adoption of AJAX was probably the key moment, though others will be able to pinpoint it better than I can. Sure, the apps of today are clunky from a usability perspective but (to your point about Facebook and Twitter) they are clearly delivering. Meanwhile, we now have component based application frameworks and scripting based interfaces, which is exactly the prediction made for the future of applications in general.</p>
<p>So, yeah, absolutely to your main premise. Do I need an online desktop to take advantage of it all? Dunno, but there&#8217;s a lot of innovation to happen yet so I&#8217;ll keep out of the jury for now.</p>
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