Comments on: Is Oracle Good for the Linux Market? http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/ because technology is just another ecosystem Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:53:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: ERM http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-59194 ERM Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:03:07 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-59194 Check out my thoughts on this issue. http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/?p=790 Oracle didn't seem to have thought everything through. Check out my thoughts on this issue.

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Oracle didn’t seem to have thought everything through.

]]> By: Jack http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-59022 Jack Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:15:59 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-59022 Have any of you run Oracle on Linux? You wouldn't be having these metaphysical discussions if you actually were involved. Let me put it simply for you folks. Oracle integrates itself into the Linux kernel by default. It doesn't run unless you change many- many- MANY kernel parameters that load at boot and just load period. This isn't mysql with it's "enterprise" master/slave database BS. This is active/active RAC clustering with all the trimmings and Linux has to be configured just right or else it will blow up in your face. Oracle has already had it's hands in the OS's pants- moreso than any other application in world. The problem is, Oracle is closed. Linux is Open. So who can take responsibility for whom? When that Oracle kernel parameter segfaults at boot, would RedHat know the right Oracle customization? Or would Oracle know the right Linux customization? It's incestuous and one-sided. RedHat loses- period. Oracle is sucking the life out of these already stand-alone distributions. This is only for the moment. Oracle will be overtaken by the GPL itself within the decade. MySQL is a baby. It just needs a few more training sessions before it can take a swing at Oracle. So for now- this is reality. Redhat has no power over Oracle vertical application. And they never will. They are screwed. And they will keep getting relentlessly pounded and pumped in the backside until a GPL database can compete with Oracle. If RedHat is so concerned about Oracle, they should compete through mySQL or postgreSQL. Otherwise- blow. Have any of you run Oracle on Linux? You wouldn’t be having these metaphysical discussions if you actually were involved. Let me put it simply for you folks. Oracle integrates itself into the Linux kernel by default. It doesn’t run unless you change many- many- MANY kernel parameters that load at boot and just load period.

This isn’t mysql with it’s “enterprise” master/slave database BS. This is active/active RAC clustering with all the trimmings and Linux has to be configured just right or else it will blow up in your face.

Oracle has already had it’s hands in the OS’s pants- moreso than any other application in world. The problem is, Oracle is closed. Linux is Open. So who can take responsibility for whom?

When that Oracle kernel parameter segfaults at boot, would RedHat know the right Oracle customization? Or would Oracle know the right Linux customization? It’s incestuous and one-sided. RedHat loses- period.

Oracle is sucking the life out of these already stand-alone distributions. This is only for the moment. Oracle will be overtaken by the GPL itself within the decade. MySQL is a baby. It just needs a few more training sessions before it can take a swing at Oracle. So for now- this is reality. Redhat has no power over Oracle vertical application. And they never will. They are screwed. And they will keep getting relentlessly pounded and pumped in the backside until a GPL database can compete with Oracle.

If RedHat is so concerned about Oracle, they should compete through mySQL or postgreSQL. Otherwise- blow.

]]> By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-58589 sogrady Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:33:30 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-58589 James: have heard some of those same Larry rumors myself, but if he's committed to it i think they'll be in it for a long time - see his fixation on acquiring PeopleSoft. re: the Sendmail point, thanks, will look into that. the issue with the plugin, however, was something different - it was actually kicking errors at comment time. James G: they have indeed, and they've contributed to the kernel well before entering the business themselves. that said, they also staffed up for this particular effort, acquiring Novell talent specifically from what i've been told. as for the IBM and Microsoft moves, the thing was long enough already ;) James: have heard some of those same Larry rumors myself, but if he’s committed to it i think they’ll be in it for a long time - see his fixation on acquiring PeopleSoft.

re: the Sendmail point, thanks, will look into that. the issue with the plugin, however, was something different - it was actually kicking errors at comment time.

James G: they have indeed, and they’ve contributed to the kernel well before entering the business themselves. that said, they also staffed up for this particular effort, acquiring Novell talent specifically from what i’ve been told.

as for the IBM and Microsoft moves, the thing was long enough already ;)

]]> By: James Governor http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-57293 James Governor Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:55:19 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-57293 i think you'll find Oracle already had kernel level developers on staff long before the red hat killer announcement. lets not forget that Oracle has done an awful lot of work to be able to run Oracle database on Linux, period. Never mind the motives, look at the market impact. You might also usefully compare and contrast with IBM and Microsoft's own moves in the distro space. i think you’ll find Oracle already had kernel level developers on staff long before the red hat killer announcement. lets not forget that Oracle has done an awful lot of work to be able to run Oracle database on Linux, period. Never mind the motives, look at the market impact. You might also usefully compare and contrast with IBM and Microsoft’s own moves in the distro space.

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]]> By: James http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-56740 James Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:50:08 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2007/04/09/is-oracle-good-for-the-linux-market/#comment-56740 I was talking to a friend last night, and he was saying he met an ex-Oracle guy whose opinion was that OEL was a pure Larry move, made to spite Red Hat, and that it wouldn't last more than a few years due to the lack of an actual business model behind it. Probably worth taking it with a grain of salt though ;-) Re the comment subscribing, your sendmail install is calling itself hicks.hsd1.co.comcast.net. which doesn't exist in DNS. Checking the hostname exists is a common spam-prevention measure, which is what you were hitting on my server and probably others. I was talking to a friend last night, and he was saying he met an ex-Oracle guy whose opinion was that OEL was a pure Larry move, made to spite Red Hat, and that it wouldn’t last more than a few years due to the lack of an actual business model behind it. Probably worth taking it with a grain of salt though ;-)

Re the comment subscribing, your sendmail install is calling itself hicks.hsd1.co.comcast.net. which doesn’t exist in DNS. Checking the hostname exists is a common spam-prevention measure, which is what you were hitting on my server and probably others.

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