Comments on: And Sun Said, Set My Java Free: The Open Source Q&A http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/11/13/and-sun-said-set-my-java-free-the-open-source-qa/ because technology is just another ecosystem Sun, 13 May 2012 00:23:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: stephen o'grady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/11/13/and-sun-said-set-my-java-free-the-open-source-qa/comment-page-1/#comment-2649 stephen o'grady Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:25:02 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=1194#comment-2649 Simon: will certainly give the ME governance a closer read, and am always open to chatting more about it ;) Mike: "But ultimately what I think matters is will the 'needed' community participants join in? I could see consumers of the Java platform joining in the conversation, but will there be investors in Java development seems to be TBD at this point." the answer to the second question, IMO, is yes. but you're right, a lot depends on whether the needed participants can join in. Simon: will certainly give the ME governance a closer read, and am always open to chatting more about it ;)

Mike: “But ultimately what I think matters is will the ‘needed’ community participants join in? I could see consumers of the Java platform joining in the conversation, but will there be investors in Java development seems to be TBD at this point.”

the answer to the second question, IMO, is yes. but you’re right, a lot depends on whether the needed participants can join in.

]]> By: Mike Dolan http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/11/13/and-sun-said-set-my-java-free-the-open-source-qa/comment-page-1/#comment-2648 Mike Dolan Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:59:40 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=1194#comment-2648 The ability to execute on building a community, truly vendor-neutral governance, and as you point out, compatibility testing, will be crucial for this to work. I think it's a great more for Java - and I'm certainly not a "Java fan" - just my personal preference. I think it would be great to see this project evolve into a real Linux-like community with multiple industry leaders participating, top developers acting as maintainers, and evolving Java into a next gen platform rather than a 'this gen' platform. I think PHP, Ruby, etc are putting this pressure on Java and it's ultimately good, healthy competition. I'd hate to see open java end up like other projects that don't build communities, and I think the choice of GPL over CDDL signals Sun feels the same. It was a bold move choosing the GPL and great validation of the GPL as an innovation driver. There are some interesting legal implications of this choice, but ultimately I think it could signal a great future for the Java platform. While I wouldn't downplay the importance of this news, we've been hearing about it for some time and I personally was more interested in the governance model. Open sourcing code is certainly a difficult, costly, painful, and long process. But ultimately what I think matters is will the 'needed' community participants join in? I could see consumers of the Java platform joining in the conversation, but will there be investors in Java development seems to be TBD at this point. I look forward to the next round of governance news - hopefully the main players can find a common ground for driving this forward collaboratively. Heck, maybe Microsoft will be interested in joining in too ;-)? The ability to execute on building a community, truly vendor-neutral governance, and as you point out, compatibility testing, will be crucial for this to work. I think it’s a great more for Java – and I’m certainly not a “Java fan” – just my personal preference.

I think it would be great to see this project evolve into a real Linux-like community with multiple industry leaders participating, top developers acting as maintainers, and evolving Java into a next gen platform rather than a ‘this gen’ platform. I think PHP, Ruby, etc are putting this pressure on Java and it’s ultimately good, healthy competition. I’d hate to see open java end up like other projects that don’t build communities, and I think the choice of GPL over CDDL signals Sun feels the same.

It was a bold move choosing the GPL and great validation of the GPL as an innovation driver. There are some interesting legal implications of this choice, but ultimately I think it could signal a great future for the Java platform. While I wouldn’t downplay the importance of this news, we’ve been hearing about it for some time and I personally was more interested in the governance model.

Open sourcing code is certainly a difficult, costly, painful, and long process. But ultimately what I think matters is will the ‘needed’ community participants join in? I could see consumers of the Java platform joining in the conversation, but will there be investors in Java development seems to be TBD at this point. I look forward to the next round of governance news – hopefully the main players can find a common ground for driving this forward collaboratively. Heck, maybe Microsoft will be interested in joining in too ;-) ?

]]> By: Simon Phipps http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/11/13/and-sun-said-set-my-java-free-the-open-source-qa/comment-page-1/#comment-2647 Simon Phipps Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:23:53 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=1194#comment-2647 Thank-you, Stephen, very thoughtful. The Java ME community actually has governance in place, so I suggest taking a look and letting Sun know if it's any good - it might well form a template for the other two communities. As you know I am passionate about getting good, transparent governance in place so this is a high priority topic for me. Thank-you, Stephen, very thoughtful. The Java ME community actually has governance in place, so I suggest taking a look and letting Sun know if it’s any good – it might well form a template for the other two communities. As you know I am passionate about getting good, transparent governance in place so this is a high priority topic for me.

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