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	<title>Comments on: Cross-Platform is a Feature</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hood</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2006/09/06/cross-platform-is-a-feature/#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 01:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sametime 7.5 is the point from which to you want to start measuring the possibilities - not the  Notes port to Linux - unless you were talking about Hannover. I'd say Sametime 7.5 is as "perdy" as the majority of IM stuff out there - certainly close enough to be good enough at this point.

The robust plug-in model certainly gives it a shot at dealing with the UI holes your talking about..don't know it if will really pan out that way.

Thanks for engaging.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sametime 7.5 is the point from which to you want to start measuring the possibilities - not the  Notes port to Linux - unless you were talking about Hannover. I&#8217;d say Sametime 7.5 is as &#8220;perdy&#8221; as the majority of IM stuff out there - certainly close enough to be good enough at this point.</p>
<p>The robust plug-in model certainly gives it a shot at dealing with the UI holes your talking about..don&#8217;t know it if will really pan out that way.</p>
<p>Thanks for engaging.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen o'grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen o'grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis: i don't know - i think Firefox transcends platforms fairly well. now they obviously are not using a cross platform UI, but leveraging native capabilities much like RCP can. 

i don't know, i'm sort of torn. on the one hand i think the Swing-style lowest common denominator butt-ugly UI is a thing of the past, on the other i think both Windows and OS X are headed down deep UI holes that will be tough to follow - let alone make cross-platform.

short answer is: i don't know ;)

Stephen: thanks for bringing up RCP. IBM's usage of the platform as the foundation for Notes and so on was - I think - a real eye opener for some folks. i do think they need more focus on the "prettiness", if you will, b/c while i like some of the RCP apps i've used or demoed (RSS Owl, the Notes port, etc) - they don't blow me away. they're nice, but note gorgeous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis: i don&#8217;t know - i think Firefox transcends platforms fairly well. now they obviously are not using a cross platform UI, but leveraging native capabilities much like RCP can. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know, i&#8217;m sort of torn. on the one hand i think the Swing-style lowest common denominator butt-ugly UI is a thing of the past, on the other i think both Windows and OS X are headed down deep UI holes that will be tough to follow - let alone make cross-platform.</p>
<p>short answer is: i don&#8217;t know <img src='http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Stephen: thanks for bringing up RCP. IBM&#8217;s usage of the platform as the foundation for Notes and so on was - I think - a real eye opener for some folks. i do think they need more focus on the &#8220;prettiness&#8221;, if you will, b/c while i like some of the RCP apps i&#8217;ve used or demoed (RSS Owl, the Notes port, etc) - they don&#8217;t blow me away. they&#8217;re nice, but note gorgeous.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis while not quite there yet, Eclipse is getting closer and closer to removing the pain point your referring to. While I doubt it will ever be perfect it will be more than good enough for most users and for developers benefiting from multiple markets. Why develop something in say .Net and limit your market. While you are right about the Mac bigots - they are the minority. As the Mac takes more and more of the consumer space their voices will become a dull roar. Regular users won't be that discriminating - as long as it works they will be fine.

We used to be just windows machines at work - now we have macs, linux etc. Why? Because the world is changing. Previously it was windows only at work which partly drove the decision what we have at home and vice versa.

We used to have 2 windows machines at home. Now we have 2 macs instead because they just work better for the kids. 

When it was windows on both ends of the work/home equation the cross-platform perspective wasn't an issue. Now it is. And I don't think we are alone in that. Software like Parallels (sp?) for the mac  is just a stop gap for people eventually having/wanting cross-platform apps. You could argue virtualization will *prevent* cross platform apps but I don't see it that way. Why? Because it will be in the vendors best interest to develop once in something like Eclipse (it could be something else, Eclipse just seems the most likely at this point) rather than the cost burden of multiple development environments, application update mechanisms for seperate OS's. And it's not just the cost of the development environment itself, it cascades across a software shop in terms of training costs, hiring practices etc..

P.S. Today IBM announced you can get Eclipse support directly from IBM. For enterprises and even ISV developers I think that's probably as significant for Eclipse as it was for IBM to put their weight behind Linux. It legitimizes it for a whole swath of people that otherwise would have sat on the fence or not considered it as an option because they had no one to turn to if something went wrong. And just like Linux, Eclipse is making it thru the back doors of organizations.

P.P.S. I also thing it would be in Apples own best interest to support something like Eclipse. All of a sudden you have alot more apps appearing for the Mac that otherwise may have only appeared on Windows. And it would be better for them to have class A support before Linux get's there. I'm not sure what they are doing on that front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis while not quite there yet, Eclipse is getting closer and closer to removing the pain point your referring to. While I doubt it will ever be perfect it will be more than good enough for most users and for developers benefiting from multiple markets. Why develop something in say .Net and limit your market. While you are right about the Mac bigots - they are the minority. As the Mac takes more and more of the consumer space their voices will become a dull roar. Regular users won&#8217;t be that discriminating - as long as it works they will be fine.</p>
<p>We used to be just windows machines at work - now we have macs, linux etc. Why? Because the world is changing. Previously it was windows only at work which partly drove the decision what we have at home and vice versa.</p>
<p>We used to have 2 windows machines at home. Now we have 2 macs instead because they just work better for the kids. </p>
<p>When it was windows on both ends of the work/home equation the cross-platform perspective wasn&#8217;t an issue. Now it is. And I don&#8217;t think we are alone in that. Software like Parallels (sp?) for the mac  is just a stop gap for people eventually having/wanting cross-platform apps. You could argue virtualization will *prevent* cross platform apps but I don&#8217;t see it that way. Why? Because it will be in the vendors best interest to develop once in something like Eclipse (it could be something else, Eclipse just seems the most likely at this point) rather than the cost burden of multiple development environments, application update mechanisms for seperate OS&#8217;s. And it&#8217;s not just the cost of the development environment itself, it cascades across a software shop in terms of training costs, hiring practices etc..</p>
<p>P.S. Today IBM announced you can get Eclipse support directly from IBM. For enterprises and even ISV developers I think that&#8217;s probably as significant for Eclipse as it was for IBM to put their weight behind Linux. It legitimizes it for a whole swath of people that otherwise would have sat on the fence or not considered it as an option because they had no one to turn to if something went wrong. And just like Linux, Eclipse is making it thru the back doors of organizations.</p>
<p>P.P.S. I also thing it would be in Apples own best interest to support something like Eclipse. All of a sudden you have alot more apps appearing for the Mac that otherwise may have only appeared on Windows. And it would be better for them to have class A support before Linux get&#8217;s there. I&#8217;m not sure what they are doing on that front.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 03:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thesis: Cross-platform UI for N platforms means mediocre, compromise UI on N-1 platforms. Discuss. :) (For added entertainment value, get explicit and discuss with any Mac bigot what they think of the UI of apps ported directly from Windows.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thesis: Cross-platform UI for N platforms means mediocre, compromise UI on N-1 platforms. Discuss. <img src='http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> (For added entertainment value, get explicit and discuss with any Mac bigot what they think of the UI of apps ported directly from Windows.)</p>
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