Comments on: Just What is a Service? http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/15/just-what-is-a-service/ because technology is just another ecosystem Sun, 13 May 2012 00:23:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/15/just-what-is-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-897 sogrady Tue, 19 Jul 2005 09:05:26 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=507#comment-897 Neil: in total agreement. i've been pushing enterprises and vendors i speak with on similar matters for a long time now, with little success. when i give my standard "identity is a service" pitch, i usually get some perplexed looks with a few nods. ah well, one thing at a time, i suppose ;) Brenda: i'm certainly aware of that ;), and thx for the link - good piece. i think you highlight is an important point, which to me is expressed as the notion that services ultimately are nothing more than the approach. technology is the means to that end, but there are a variety of such means. unfortunately, the definition of services has been coopted by certain parties, but if we all do our best maybe we can change a mind here or there ;) Neil: in total agreement. i've been pushing enterprises and vendors i speak with on similar matters for a long time now, with little success. when i give my standard "identity is a service" pitch, i usually get some perplexed looks with a few nods. ah well, one thing at a time, i suppose ;)

Brenda: i'm certainly aware of that ;) , and thx for the link – good piece. i think you highlight is an important point, which to me is expressed as the notion that services ultimately are nothing more than the approach. technology is the means to that end, but there are a variety of such means. unfortunately, the definition of services has been coopted by certain parties, but if we all do our best maybe we can change a mind here or there ;)

]]> By: brenda michelson http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/15/just-what-is-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-896 brenda michelson Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:53:12 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=507#comment-896 Hey Steve...I'm with you. As you know, I speak to/write of "services" a lot, and I never get to "Web Services" until I'm 4 pages in...Because that's (dare I say) just an implementation technology. Here's a "report" of mine that's being excerpted, and you'll see technology didn't even land in part 1. <a href="http://www.nextslm.org/michelson1.shtml">http://www.nextslm.org/michelson1.shtml</a>. I also agree with the sentiments of Neil who commented above...services do infrastructure functions (jobs). In addition, service-oriented architectural practices should be applied not just to business solutions, but also to infrastructure solutions...something shown in the recent JBI spec (JSR-208). Hey Steve…I'm with you. As you know, I speak to/write of "services" a lot, and I never get to "Web Services" until I'm 4 pages in…Because that's (dare I say) just an implementation technology. Here's a "report" of mine that's being excerpted, and you'll see technology didn't even land in part 1. http://www.nextslm.org/michelson1.shtml.

I also agree with the sentiments of Neil who commented above…services do infrastructure functions (jobs). In addition, service-oriented architectural practices should be applied not just to business solutions, but also to infrastructure solutions…something shown in the recent JBI spec (JSR-208).

]]> By: Neil Macehiter http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/15/just-what-is-a-service/comment-page-1/#comment-895 Neil Macehiter Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:08:17 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=507#comment-895 I share your frustration when it comes to service - but from a slightly different point of view, which has less to do with WS-*, REST, POX and the like and more to do with different perspectives on services. The vast majority of the service - and SOA for that matter - discussion focusses on a subset of IT services: business function services. What about infrastructure services, which encompass the identity management and log file search examples you refer to, and the lifecycle services which are responsible for the development, deployment and change of the business function and infrastructure services (and which are what users of IT tend to think of when they invest in IT)? A service-oriented approach to IT must consider all of these perspectives - and the functional, quality-of-service and commercial aspects of the contracts which govern their usage. I share your frustration when it comes to service – but from a slightly different point of view, which has less to do with WS-*, REST, POX and the like and more to do with different perspectives on services. The vast majority of the service – and SOA for that matter – discussion focusses on a subset of IT services: business function services. What about infrastructure services, which encompass the identity management and log file search examples you refer to, and the lifecycle services which are responsible for the development, deployment and change of the business function and infrastructure services (and which are what users of IT tend to think of when they invest in IT)? A service-oriented approach to IT must consider all of these perspectives – and the functional, quality-of-service and commercial aspects of the contracts which govern their usage.

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