Comments on: Where Do Forums and Blogs End, and Wikis Begin? http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/07/where-do-forums-and-blogs-end-and-wikis-begin/ because technology is just another ecosystem Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:07:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/07/where-do-forums-and-blogs-end-and-wikis-begin/#comment-863 sogrady Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:09:39 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=499#comment-863 Andy: thanks much for the comments, and would love to hear more from you on that score. any chance that you have time to chat this week? Alex: will have more on Swik shortly, but personally, i'm not looking for a marriage - i want them to remain separate. i'm instead looking for the ability to loosely couple them as independent and separate entities. i think blogs/forums serve a very important and necessary function as expressions of iteration, while wikis as a rule should be more staticly defined (though living documents themselves). Swik, however, serves an interesting use case and is a cool concept. Bill: thanks for the links - I don't agree with all of Shirky's comments, but as always they are thought provoking and very well thought out. Andy: thanks much for the comments, and would love to hear more from you on that score. any chance that you have time to chat this week?

Alex: will have more on Swik shortly, but personally, i’m not looking for a marriage - i want them to remain separate. i’m instead looking for the ability to loosely couple them as independent and separate entities. i think blogs/forums serve a very important and necessary function as expressions of iteration, while wikis as a rule should be more staticly defined (though living documents themselves). Swik, however, serves an interesting use case and is a cool concept.

Bill: thanks for the links - I don’t agree with all of Shirky’s comments, but as always they are thought provoking and very well thought out.

]]> By: Bill Higgins http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/07/where-do-forums-and-blogs-end-and-wikis-begin/#comment-862 Bill Higgins Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:43:31 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=499#comment-862 Slightly off-topic from what you discussed above, but readers who enjoyed your post may also enjoy these two Clay Shirky essays that I recently read. They get into some of the usage model differences between some of the types of social software you mentioned. A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html Group as User: Flaming and the Design of Social Software http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_user.html Slightly off-topic from what you discussed above, but readers who enjoyed your post may also enjoy these two Clay Shirky essays that I recently read. They get into some of the usage model differences between some of the types of social software you mentioned.

A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy
http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

Group as User: Flaming and the Design of Social Software
http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_user.html

]]> By: Alex Bosworth http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/07/where-do-forums-and-blogs-end-and-wikis-begin/#comment-861 Alex Bosworth Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:10:29 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=499#comment-861 [Note: I moved this comment from Alex from another thread, where I think it was put by mistake. If I'm wrong, Alex, just let me know and I'll move it back.] I've been doing a lot of thinking about how Wikis and Blogs can be married, and I'm not convinced that it's impossible. With Swik (http://swik.net), I took an initial stab at it, if you look at how the left topics are structured, they pretty much follow the RSS specification, but the description part can be as long as needed ala a wiki page. That way you could have a lot of entries about Configuring SAMBA under a topic that never moved and could summarize and highlight. This system is not without problems, but I think with tweaking and some restructuring we'll be able to marry the two concepts. [Note: I moved this comment from Alex from another thread, where I think it was put by mistake. If I'm wrong, Alex, just let me know and I'll move it back.]

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about how Wikis and Blogs can be married, and I’m not convinced that it’s impossible.

With Swik (http://swik.net), I took an initial stab at it, if you look at how the left topics are structured, they pretty much follow the RSS specification, but the description part can be as long as needed ala a wiki page.

That way you could have a lot of entries about Configuring SAMBA under a topic that never moved and could summarize and highlight.

This system is not without problems, but I think with tweaking and some restructuring we’ll be able to marry the two concepts.

]]> By: Andy Fundinger http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/07/07/where-do-forums-and-blogs-end-and-wikis-begin/#comment-860 Andy Fundinger Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:00:05 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=499#comment-860 It is interesting to see you talking about driving sites through a Wiki as or in place of a CMS, this is exactly what we've been doing here for two years now. The benefit of promoting content from internal documents to public view has been limited, but we have seen a benefit in that all of our internal users are trained on the tools to create pages for the external site. It is interesting to see you talking about driving sites through a Wiki as or in place of a CMS, this is exactly what we’ve been doing here for two years now. The benefit of promoting content from internal documents to public view has been limited, but we have seen a benefit in that all of our internal users are trained on the tools to create pages for the external site.

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