Comments on: Eclipse vs NetBeans: The Smackdown http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/ because technology is just another ecosystem Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:50:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: test http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-578 test Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:56:49 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-578 ignore it ignore it

]]> By: BillSaysThis http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-577 BillSaysThis Sat, 02 Apr 2005 22:00:36 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-577 Okay, right place, right time good fortune. 12,000+ layoffs so far, many of the current executives directly responsible for the floundering are still in place, and where is the vision for driving Sun back to success? My point is that the history of NetBeans is more or less typical of Sun in general and a good clue to its future. Group name is sun_alumni, just not sure if messages are visible to non-members. Okay, right place, right time good fortune. 12,000+ layoffs so far, many of the current executives directly responsible for the floundering are still in place, and where is the vision for driving Sun back to success? My point is that the history of NetBeans is more or less typical of Sun in general and a good clue to its future.

Group name is sun_alumni, just not sure if messages are visible to non-members.

]]> By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-576 sogrady Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:28:34 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-576 no worries, Bill. but let's take a look at what you're saying: Sun sold a boatload of hardware to run Java, made boatloads of money, but squandered much of it. that, i don't disagree with. nor would, i think, many of Sun's current (not former) senior execs. that argument, however, is different from saying that Java never made Sun any money, b/c IMO it did. i'll definitely try and hunt down that Yahoo Group tho. no worries, Bill. but let’s take a look at what you’re saying: Sun sold a boatload of hardware to run Java, made boatloads of money, but squandered much of it. that, i don’t disagree with. nor would, i think, many of Sun’s current (not former) senior execs. that argument, however, is different from saying that Java never made Sun any money, b/c IMO it did.

i’ll definitely try and hunt down that Yahoo Group tho.

]]> By: BillSaysThis http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-575 BillSaysThis Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:32:04 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-575 Sorry, Firefox caching (I think) made me think my first comment wasn't posted. Sorry, Firefox caching (I think) made me think my first comment wasn’t posted.

]]> By: BillSaysThis http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-574 BillSaysThis Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:30:36 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-574 Sun sold a boatload of servers to run Java servers but what have the executives done with that money? Further, look at all the applications they acquired since 1998 (NetDynamics, the Netscape Enterprise Servers, Forte and so on) and show me one that has flourished despite the substantial resources poured into them. Substantial being relative given the layoffs but we're still talking many millions of dollars. Sun sold a boatload of servers to run Java servers but what have the executives done with that money? Further, look at all the applications they acquired since 1998 (NetDynamics, the Netscape Enterprise Servers, Forte and so on) and show me one that has flourished despite the substantial resources poured into them. Substantial being relative given the layoffs but we’re still talking many millions of dollars.

]]> By: BillSaysThis http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-573 BillSaysThis Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:23:38 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-573 I can't tell if the archives are publicly accessible because of the screwy new UI but you might browse the Yahoo Groups Sun Alumni group (but ignore the job postings) for relevant discussions. Sun did sell a boatload of hardware to run Java servers but what did they do with the cash? Further, look at all the server software beginning with the acquisition of NetDynamics and the iPlanet venture and show me one application that has been nurtured and is flourishing. I can’t tell if the archives are publicly accessible because of the screwy new UI but you might browse the Yahoo Groups Sun Alumni group (but ignore the job postings) for relevant discussions. Sun did sell a boatload of hardware to run Java servers but what did they do with the cash? Further, look at all the server software beginning with the acquisition of NetDynamics and the iPlanet venture and show me one application that has been nurtured and is flourishing.

]]> By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-572 sogrady Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:48:07 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-572 answering that question depends on whether or not you believe the rise of Java and J2EE fueled Sun's dot com position as de facto technical platform of choice for VC's. personally, i believe they don't sell all that gear without Java or something like it fueling the desire for high performance, stable hardware. Java doesn't generate them direct cash, true, but tough to see how Sun fares without the explosion of J2EE, as unnecessary as all that was. it's a judgement call, though. be interested in your opinion. (somewhere, Jonathan Schwartz is smiling because i asked him the same question once upon a time and this mirrors the answer he gave me) answering that question depends on whether or not you believe the rise of Java and J2EE fueled Sun’s dot com position as de facto technical platform of choice for VC’s. personally, i believe they don’t sell all that gear without Java or something like it fueling the desire for high performance, stable hardware. Java doesn’t generate them direct cash, true, but tough to see how Sun fares without the explosion of J2EE, as unnecessary as all that was.

it’s a judgement call, though. be interested in your opinion.

(somewhere, Jonathan Schwartz is smiling because i asked him the same question once upon a time and this mirrors the answer he gave me)

]]> By: BillSaysThis http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-571 BillSaysThis Fri, 01 Apr 2005 23:18:58 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-571 Java, how much direct revenue has Sun made on that? IAC, my comment is in reference to software Sun sells. Java, how much direct revenue has Sun made on that? IAC, my comment is in reference to software Sun sells.

]]> By: sogrady http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-570 sogrady Fri, 01 Apr 2005 22:45:58 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-570 well, i think that's a bit harsh - Java seems to be doing ok - but i am a bit surprised at the gains that have been made. i had a lot of issues with NetBeans last i ran it. well, i think that’s a bit harsh - Java seems to be doing ok - but i am a bit surprised at the gains that have been made. i had a lot of issues with NetBeans last i ran it.

]]> By: BillSaysThis http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2005/03/31/eclipse-vs-netbeans-the-smackdown/#comment-569 BillSaysThis Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:16:11 +0000 http://redmonk.com/sogrady/wp/?p=383#comment-569 Why are you surprised by this? Sun goes through this same process with nearly every piece of software it touches (excepting Solaris). Why are you surprised by this? Sun goes through this same process with nearly every piece of software it touches (excepting Solaris).

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