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		<title>By: Tobie Ruckman</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2007/01/10/build-forge-briefing/#comment-829</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tobie Ruckman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having your current sneakers out of inside your home : Need to some others admiration your home guideline?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having your current sneakers out of inside your home : Need to some others admiration your home guideline?</p>
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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OpenMake, Builds and Change and Release Management</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2007/01/10/build-forge-briefing/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[People Over Process &#187; Blog Archive &#187; OpenMake, Builds and Change and Release Management]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] morning I talked with the OpenMake folks, which was nice after a long game of meeting scheduling. Tracy Ragan was kind enough to comment at length on a recent BuildForge briefing note, so it was a nice blog-to-briefing [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] morning I talked with the OpenMake folks, which was nice after a long game of meeting scheduling. Tracy Ragan was kind enough to comment at length on a recent BuildForge briefing note, so it was a nice blog-to-briefing [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bieber Labs &#187; links for 2007-01-12</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2007/01/10/build-forge-briefing/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bieber Labs &#187; links for 2007-01-12]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] PeopleOverProcess.com: Build Forge Briefing Looks like an interesting build related product (tags: buildsoftware development) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] PeopleOverProcess.com: Build Forge Briefing Looks like an interesting build related product (tags: buildsoftware development) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Cote'</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2007/01/10/build-forge-briefing/#comment-826</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that detailed comment, Tracy. There&#039;s certainly some meaty ideas to chew on there ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that detailed comment, Tracy. There&#8217;s certainly some meaty ideas to chew on there <img src="http://redmonk.com/cote/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Ragan</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2007/01/10/build-forge-briefing/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy Ragan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad to see some discussion and real analysis of build systems these days.  It has been many years at Catalyst selling Openmake where there has been no discussion at all around builds.

I agree with your comment that developers do not care much about compliance. But there is some overlapping needs between developers and compliance - mainly what went into the build.  Developers and management alike want to know if the source code they are managing matches the executables running in production.  Also, what versions of 3rd party libraries such as SOA were used in the build. This is in essence compliance.  And you can&#039;t get that kind dependency listing from simply doing a check-out prior to the build or interrogating the build directory for files and calling it a bill of material.  This requires really managing the compile process itself and watching what the compiler/linker is using and where it came from. And as you know, this is normally defined by the script itself - not what was checked out of the SCM tool or located in the build directory.

So then we get to the 800lb guerilla in the room - the issue with ad hoc scripting.  It is the scripts themselves that are doing the build not the ALM scheduling tools that called the script. Which then takes me to products like Maven. Maven provides a higher level of reusablity, minimizing build breaks then a simple Ant/XML script.  After 12 years of providing reuse within the build process, and minimizing ad hoc scripting, we Openmake people are excited to see developers beginning to understand that reuse within the build process is the first step towards improving the build system. True dependency management, reuse, and compile management ultimately leads to more efficient builds (incremental builds for example), less broken builds and a truly agile development proocess that meets the compliance levels required by management.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see some discussion and real analysis of build systems these days.  It has been many years at Catalyst selling Openmake where there has been no discussion at all around builds.</p>
<p>I agree with your comment that developers do not care much about compliance. But there is some overlapping needs between developers and compliance &#8211; mainly what went into the build.  Developers and management alike want to know if the source code they are managing matches the executables running in production.  Also, what versions of 3rd party libraries such as SOA were used in the build. This is in essence compliance.  And you can&#8217;t get that kind dependency listing from simply doing a check-out prior to the build or interrogating the build directory for files and calling it a bill of material.  This requires really managing the compile process itself and watching what the compiler/linker is using and where it came from. And as you know, this is normally defined by the script itself &#8211; not what was checked out of the SCM tool or located in the build directory.</p>
<p>So then we get to the 800lb guerilla in the room &#8211; the issue with ad hoc scripting.  It is the scripts themselves that are doing the build not the ALM scheduling tools that called the script. Which then takes me to products like Maven. Maven provides a higher level of reusablity, minimizing build breaks then a simple Ant/XML script.  After 12 years of providing reuse within the build process, and minimizing ad hoc scripting, we Openmake people are excited to see developers beginning to understand that reuse within the build process is the first step towards improving the build system. True dependency management, reuse, and compile management ultimately leads to more efficient builds (incremental builds for example), less broken builds and a truly agile development proocess that meets the compliance levels required by management.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-01-11 &#187; SDLC Blog</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2007/01/10/build-forge-briefing/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2007-01-11 &#187; SDLC Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] People Over Process » Blog Archive » Build Forge Briefing (tags: alm scm ci ibm rational) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] People Over Process » Blog Archive » Build Forge Briefing (tags: alm scm ci ibm rational) [&#8230;]</p>
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