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	<title>Comments on: Web 2.0 IDE&#039;s and Constraint-based Design</title>
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	<description>One foot in the muck, the other in utopia</description>
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		<title>By: Cote'</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2006/03/13/web-20-ides-and-constraint-based-design/#comment-93</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obie: I&#039;d be interested in checking that out. I&#039;ll have to check out the page.

Matt M.: As you say &quot;Don&#039;t bother making Eclipse in a browser.&quot; Having praised the idea of Ning and other &quot;make coding easier,&quot; those technologies have a poor history of panning out beyond the initial examples. The phrase &quot;code generation&quot; doesn&#039;t bring up happy thoughts. That said, current &quot;code generation&quot; applications might be good enough to solve people&#039;s problems, meaning they wouldn&#039;t need to pay for a programmer to write an applications. For example, many companies run their financials in Excel spreadsheets rather than buying an ERP or other financial-focused app. That could be an analog for the success that &quot;web IDE&quot; tools could have.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obie: I&#8217;d be interested in checking that out. I&#8217;ll have to check out the page.</p>
<p>Matt M.: As you say &#8220;Don&#8217;t bother making Eclipse in a browser.&#8221; Having praised the idea of Ning and other &#8220;make coding easier,&#8221; those technologies have a poor history of panning out beyond the initial examples. The phrase &#8220;code generation&#8221; doesn&#8217;t bring up happy thoughts. That said, current &#8220;code generation&#8221; applications might be good enough to solve people&#8217;s problems, meaning they wouldn&#8217;t need to pay for a programmer to write an applications. For example, many companies run their financials in Excel spreadsheets rather than buying an ERP or other financial-focused app. That could be an analog for the success that &#8220;web IDE&#8221; tools could have.</p>
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		<title>By: matt m</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, things like Nings are great. But no way on web based IDEs for general coding- it&#039;s a dead end. Web enabled IDEs- definitely. My IDE has my browser in it, not the other way around.

All of the features you mention for Writely are already available as Eclipse plugins. With MyEclipse, I have a design/source page that lets me see changes as they happen, and drag elements of the page.

Now, could you build an IDE out of Firefox plugins- yes. But why?

What the web is good for: things like ViewCVS, Trac, SourceForge, etc. that let you browse source code repositories. Those things are moving in a web 2.0 direction.

You have various page creators for things like HTML- but that&#039;s hardly coding. I also think you&#039;ll see things more like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ajaxscaffold.height1percent.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ajax Scaffold Generator&lt;/a&gt; for Rails.  These are things that let people build simple applications, or templated applications. Don&#039;t bother making Eclipse in a browser.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, things like Nings are great. But no way on web based IDEs for general coding- it&#8217;s a dead end. Web enabled IDEs- definitely. My IDE has my browser in it, not the other way around.</p>
<p>All of the features you mention for Writely are already available as Eclipse plugins. With MyEclipse, I have a design/source page that lets me see changes as they happen, and drag elements of the page.</p>
<p>Now, could you build an IDE out of Firefox plugins- yes. But why?</p>
<p>What the web is good for: things like ViewCVS, Trac, SourceForge, etc. that let you browse source code repositories. Those things are moving in a web 2.0 direction.</p>
<p>You have various page creators for things like HTML- but that&#8217;s hardly coding. I also think you&#8217;ll see things more like the <a href="http://ajaxscaffold.height1percent.com/" rel="nofollow">Ajax Scaffold Generator</a> for Rails.  These are things that let people build simple applications, or templated applications. Don&#8217;t bother making Eclipse in a browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Obie</title>
		<link>http://redmonk.com/cote/2006/03/13/web-20-ides-and-constraint-based-design/#comment-91</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A group of us ThoughtWorks Rubyists actually got together and started writing a web-based Ruby IDE last month. There is some information here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://confluence.public.thoughtworks.org/display/RBT/Chizzle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://confluence.public.thoughtworks.org/display/RBT/Chizzle&lt;/a&gt; but AFAIK there aren&#039;t plans to publicize the project any time soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A group of us ThoughtWorks Rubyists actually got together and started writing a web-based Ruby IDE last month. There is some information here: <a href="http://confluence.public.thoughtworks.org/display/RBT/Chizzle" rel="nofollow">http://confluence.public.thoughtworks.org/display/RBT/Chizzle</a> but AFAIK there aren&#8217;t plans to publicize the project any time soon.</p>
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